Are the Bible Codes Real?

tunji      24 Sep 2010, 06:11

Quite true,sir.
I think it is mysticism and the semi mystic mind that looks for hidden messages that are not apparent in the text of Scripture,or on the inspiration of the Holy Ghost.

Tunji

Doug Buckley      25 Sep 2010, 20:54

Hi Tunji, good to have you visiting over here,
There does seem to be some mysticism when it comes to the bible codes, as they are not part of God's Word. I tend to think that the bible codes are just typical religious chicanery, but certainly many of the proponents are sincere in their belief in the bible codes.

Jane Christy      12 Nov 2010, 23:58

Bible codes? I've been thinking about that too. And am a bit still confused about it. Whoever is concern,would you mind to give some more explanations please? Thanks in advance.

Doug Buckley      13 Nov 2010, 18:34

Hi Jane, you've probably never looked into or read about the bible codes. The bible coders are basically people that turn the bible into a giant crossword puzzle and take the words they find to try to predict the future or form messages. Bible codes are not real.

Jane christy      16 Nov 2010, 09:42

Hi, Doug. Well,yeah that's what i thought of those so called bible codes that those aren't true. But someone has told me that it is and it made me confused on which to believe. But now i know am convinced that those bible codes aren't true. Thanks Doug for sharing me some of your ideas. Glad for that. Hope we can discuss more about other Bible topics or so. Thanks once again. But wait,would you mind a question? Are you a Bible believer and what Bible version do you use?

Jane christy      16 Nov 2010, 09:48

Hi, Doug. Actually, i've read about that so called bible codes and been able to heard a preaching about it. Of course the message of them is that the bible codes are not true but there had been an occassion that someone told me it was true and it really made me confused about that. But thanks for your message. Wonderful.

Timothy       10 Dec 2010, 09:50

The hidden message found in the Bible are for proof of Bible authentication and not for divination.

The Chuck Missler series of audio files on Bible codes gives one of the best proofs I've seen that the Bible was written by divine inspiration.

http://www.khouse.org/topical_bible_study/biblecodes/

Yes, various people have proven that words and messages can be teased from almost any book, but Chuck explains there is a big difference between these and what is found in the Bible. One of which are: those found in the Bible are usually related to the actual text written.

I also find it hard to discredit that the fundamental constants {p (pi) and e} may be derived from the scriptures using bible codes.

p from the Hebrew of Genesis 1:1, and
e from the Greek of John 1:1 by the application of a simple procedure
- the errors involved being of the order of a mere 0.001%.

Genesis 1:1
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." and

John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

Notwithstanding the great time interval between their respective inceptions, it is clear that there exists a strong textual bonding between Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1.



The evaluation of p from within Genesis 1:1

The Bible's first verse comprises 7 Hebrew words formed from a total of 28 letters. Hitherto, attention has focused particularly on the sums of the word CVs in total and in part. Now, however, it is the word and letter products that occupy centre stage. Observe that, although each word CV is the sum of its letter CVs, the product of the latter bears no clear and obvious relationship to the former. Essential features of this analysis involve the two verse ratios

* (product of letter CVs) / (product of word CVs) = R1, say, and

* (number of letters) / (number of words) = R2, say

Writing the product (R1 x R2) in standard mathematical form, an accurate value for p is revealed.


The details may be found here.

http://homepage.virgin.net/vernon.jenkins/Pi_File.htm


The evaluation of e from within John 1:1

The number of words in this verse is 17, comprising a total of 52 letters.

Again, writing the product (R1 x R2) in standard mathematical form, an accurate value for e is revealed.


The details may be found here

http://homepage.virgin.net/vernon.jenkins/e_valuation.htm


A review of the p and e evaluations

Let us first observe that any estimate of p or e that is obtained as the ratio of two integers must, necessarily, be an approximation. It is therefore interesting, and undoubtedly significant, that the errors involved in the foregoing derivations, viz -0.0012 and +0.0011, respectively, are small, of the same order of magnitude, and of opposite polarity.

It is appropriate that we derive a 'handle' on the kind of odds against this being a chance happening - bearing in mind the fundamental nature and close relationship of the sources involved. Here, again, are the first 10 digits of "estimate: true value" for p and e, respectively, with matching significant digits underlined:

3.141554509 : 3.141592654 and 2.718312812 : 2.718281828

Clearly, if these figures are rounded, both p and e are seen to be correct to 5 significant figures. Based upon a random distribution of the variables (a not unreasonable assumption in the circumstances), a simple estimate of the combined probability of these events may therefore be obtained as follows:

Since the first digit in each case could have been any one of nine in the range 1-9, and each of the remaining matching digits, any one of ten in the range 0-9, each event is associated with a probability of 1/90,000; and because they are independent, the final assessment is of the order of ten billion* to 1 against them occurring fortuitously.

*As used here, the term 'billion' is equivalent to 10^9.


Conclusions

Let us briefly recap:

* The Hebrew letters and words of the Old Testament and the Greek letters and words of the New Testament each have an uncontrived numerical dimension (the CV, or "characteristic value") that arises directly from their involvement in the alphabetic numbering systems of these early peoples.

* The application of a simple numerical procedure to the Hebrew letters and words of the Bible's first verse (Gen.1:1) generates an approximation of p, correct to 5 significant figures (error: 0.0012%).

* The application of the identical procedure to the first verse of the Gospel of John (which has much in common with Gen.1:1) generates an approximation of e, also correct to 5 significant figures (error: 0.0011%).

* It would be extremely unreasonable to suppose that these events are fortuitous accidents; rather, highly likely that they are features of purposeful design.

* The circumstantial evidence, viz the textual and geometrical links between these verses, strongly confirms this view.

Clearly, the planning of these wonders must have preceded the writing of Genesis 1:1 (2nd millenium BC), the Hebrew alphabetic system of numeration (c200 BC), and the writing of John 1:1 (c100 AD). Further, the fundamental constant e could not have been known by man before the 18th century AD!

Quite obviously, therefore, what we have described here has to be viewed as a purposeful supernatural act! And because the verses on which the phenomena are centered speak of "Elohim" and "Jesus Christ", it is not hard to deduce the identity of their author.

The standing miracle (for it is nothing less!) informs us as follows:

* The statements of Gen.1:1 and John 1:1 were made by the same author henceforth, their truth cannot be questioned by any of rational mind.

* There are now strong reasons for believing the whole of God's Word - read literally - to be completely trustworthy.

* It is now clear that God has therein provided empirical evidence of his being and sovereignty; in this 'Age of Reason' - (and gross apostasy!) - he is acting decisively so that none should perish through ignorance or foolish presumption.
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http://homepage.virgin.net/vernon.jenkins/First_Princs.htm

(I have used Vernon Jenkins website because he has laid out the clearest explanation of pi and e, however I have not read anymore of his site. I have studied thoroughly Chuck Missler's website and from what I have learned so far is his beliefs mostly align with mine)

Doug Buckley      10 Dec 2010, 10:31

Hi Timothy, I can't say I fully understand what your saying, but it is obviously different from the typical bible codes, and thanks for contributing.

grace crammer      18 Sep 2011, 22:58

greetings doug!

have you come across the book, "the signature of god," and "the handwriting of god," both by grant r. jeffrey? i have an interlinear bible and was able to check the alleged codes in his book and all of them checked out. i can see how this is impossible for the writers of the books of the bible to have created. of course we know that they were directed/inspired by the holy spirit.

i have not seen the other books on "codes" referred to by you so i cannot comment on them.

yes, i do believe the almighty from the beginning of the world have incorporated ever confounding, amazing proofs of his existence that become slowly revealed with the passage of time.

"the witness of the stars" by e w bullinger also traced how ancient languages have come up with the same names of the zodiac telling the same story of god's plan of salvation. of course this incredible heavenly display of the gospel has become corrupted and used to tell fortunes.

grace crammer      18 Sep 2011, 23:20

hi jane!

perhaps it will help if i site one example of the subject of the code: the personal name of the messiah, his twelve disciples (excluding judas but including mathias!!!), the three different codes for the name "mary" (there were three at the cross), all in jewish, are found in isaiah 53. in fact, many of the personages in our lord's suffering can be found encoded in isaiah 52:13-53:12 (the handwriting of god, pp.145-173).

the book shows the verses in hebrew characters and if you have the book and an interlinear you can check out for yourself and be completely dumbfounded. the almighty is unfathomably clever and humorous to have done this when computers can not even do it. you will understand why i say that when you read this yourself and do the checking yourself.

Doug Buckley      20 Sep 2011, 01:04

Hi Grace, no I haven't come across that book on the bible codes. One of the things to consider with the bible codes is that computers can scan a block of letters in so many ways that its not surprising that related words turn up. I have heard of the "witness of the stars", and I know that the books recommended by SC are mostly biblical. Some of Bullinger's writings can be hard to follow though.

grace crammer      20 Sep 2011, 17:30

hi doug!

encoding the personal name of jesus, the three mary's who were present at the cross, the names of all 12 disciples except judas but instead matthias in the chapter of isaiah that contains what is accepted even by jews to be messianic prophecies is a feat that only the writer can do, a writer who does not only see the future, but can embed all these in verses that have logical flow can only be a work of the divine, god himself.

this is the point of the book, that this is one more incontrovertible proof that the bible (these codes are embedded all over the whole book) is not a production of mere mortals.

surprisingly, this particular book of ewbullinger, witness of the stars, is unputdownable ^_^. he merely went through the constellations, researched on the ancient names of each star and presented his findings in the book.

Sean P      02 Feb 2012, 13:32

If you can speak one language, does that mean that you can speak all other languages, and do so without having to learn any of these other languages? Obviously not. In World War II, if a spy sent encoded information to his home country, does that also mean that the enemy can instantly read this code language because all code languages are alike? Obviously not.

http://www.outersecrets.com/real/biblecode2a.htm

In truth, all languages, code or not, are all different.

However, in the land of Bible Codes, people have applied a completely different set of rules. In short, one Bible Code language was analyzed by statistical analysis experts, and the conclusion soon drawn was that "Bible Codes" were just a farce, just coincidental, just plain bogus. These statistical analysis experts, with their PhD's in this and that, in short had foolishly concluded that if you examine just one code language, just ONE, you are therefore examining all other endless numbers of possible code languages at the same time.

Sadly, most religious folk of today, instantly fell for such trickery.