It’s interesting that the origin of demons is never mentioned or described in the bible, at least to my knowledge. However, we can infer a number of things from the descriptions that are given of them. They are described as being bodiless spirits, that seek to inhabit the bodies of the living (Luke 11.24-26). They are described as being malevolent, and willing (if not eager) to cause harm (Matthew 17.14-18). They are also described as being in league with the devil (Matthew 12.25-29). Lastly, they are described not as dark energies or forces, but rather sentient spirits, that are capable of identifying themselves, and communicating with the living (Mark 5.7-12).

The most common explanation as to what demons are, is that they are fallen angels. However, this creates a number of issues. Angels (even fallen ones) have spiritual bodies, and presumably would have no purpose or ability to inhabit the bodies of people. Demons, however, are always described as being bodiless, and seeking to literally inhabit and commandeer the bodies of the living (Mark 11.24-26). This basically rules out demons as being fallen angels.

A more likely explanation is that demons are the disembodied souls, or ghosts, of wicked people. This is an unpopular explanation, but one that is much closer inline with the scriptural evidence provided about them. Whereas Satan and his angels still reside in heaven, demons are described as being from the underworld or “dust of the earth”, which is the dwelling place of the dead, “And thou shalt be brought down, and shalt speak out of the ground, and thy speech shall be low out of the dust, and thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a familiar spirit, out of the ground, and thy speech shall whisper out of the dust” (Isaiah 29.4 KJV bible). Familiar spirits are another term for demons. This verse associates demons with the underworld, indicating that they are the bodiless souls, or ghosts, of certain unrighteous people.

It is a common occult practice to both summon demons, and form relationships with them, often to obtain information and instruction. Notice how in Acts, there is a demon possessed girl who is renowned for fortune-telling, “And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying…But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour” (Acts 16.16,18 KJV bible). The Greek word for demon (daimonion) is likely derived from the Greek "daio", which means to distribute fortunes.

Demons are often summoned out of the underworld to instruct one in occult secrets, and to give one information that they would not have otherwise known, “When they say to you, "Consult the mediums and the spiritists who whisper and mutter", should not a people consult their God? Should they consult the dead on behalf of the living?” (Isaiah 8.19 NASB). This is most likely the origin of demons; the ghosts of certain dead people who have been summoned out of Hades, and into the land of the living.

So why would God allow such a thing, as people to summon the souls of wicked people? God allows a lot of things to happen that people will have to answer for on Judgment Day. It’s not in his nature to hit people with lightning every time they sin, but often to let things run their course, "The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished" (2nd Peter 2.9 KJV bible).

I should point out that it’s also possible that demons have never lived in the flesh, but were placed in Hades by God, from some prior time. This may be the case with the locust army of Revelation 9. All we can really say with certainty is that demons are bodiless malevolent spirits, that will face God's wrath in the future, "...What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?" (Matthew 8.29 KJV bible).

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Rudy 05 Aug 2009, 03:18

What are the Origins of Demons?

Very cool. I have to tell you, I am in spiritual boot camp again. Yup, been resisting demons.

It is a long story, but I started backsliding, and then, delved into private divination.

Result:

I had an angel wrestle with me on the kitchen floor, contacted Hades, opened a portal for demons, and my family was harassed by entities.

However, I immediately turned back to God, and i put on the armor.

They are at bay now. There is a lot of spirtual activity now, but it is holy stuff.

I have been praying like mad for the holy ghost and Christ to guide me.

Let us be strong in the Lord. Fear is an enemy that we must resist.

Thank you for this site. My experience bears it out.

After the angel experience. I most definitely contacted two souls, male and female , from the underworld. I mean literally the underworld. It was not like Hades in the greek tradition. These souls had an actual apartment, but they were not very sacred.

They were tugging at my soul in a lustful way. Rather odd.

Shortly after this, my innocent wife and my brother-in-law, both innocent of divination, began to be harassed by some ghostlike figures, including one semi invisible man.

I am in Christ now, but the evil one keeps whispering his accusations.

Just ignore him.

God is with us.

The entities are in check. They better be because i have the armor of God, and I will stand strong in Christ.

Doug Buckley 05 Aug 2009, 16:13

That's an interesting testimony. Demons and entities are certainly out there, and you seem to be sensitive to them. I remember going through a phase a while back, when I was just starting to become "spiritual", and I had some experiences. There are definiately such things as demons. Some places seem more active than others, and also times of the year.

I remember reaching a point when I felt stronger in Christ, and realized how powerful and righteous God is, and how demons are nothing in comparison. After that I never felt bothered by them, even in my sleep. Demons feed on fear and are sent packing by the Holy Spirit.

That's the thing, alot of people are tormented by demons, but also want them there on some level. Maybe they find them interesting, or they are curious, or even lonely. There's also alot of gateways, exploring the occult, and drugs. There's enough battles to fight without them, that's the way I look at it. Send them packing, and keep your armor on to fight the good fight.

Rudy 05 Aug 2009, 21:39

Thanks Doug. You are so right. I am kind of freaking out cause i am alone with my dog, and the dog keeps barking at what I sense is some invisible dimension.

You say that perhaps we want these things on some level. I guess so, only because we want assurance that we can be aware of the spiritual realm. Or maybe it is that they are transmitting (whispering) to us, "PSss, You dig us."

I hate the damned things, but my imagination is running wild. I am freaking out, and I dont want these things to feel my fear.

What can I do so that I am not afraid?

Man I need help. I prayed, but I keep freaking myself out. It is like I am becoming acutely aware.

Damn it to hell.

I need some peace. I guess i feel guilty, and that is why I fear. All this despite knowing I am saved. Why is there this doubt of salvation?

Doug Buckley 06 Aug 2009, 03:50

Sounds like your struggling with spiritual darkness right now. Turn to the Lord and I assure you it's something that will pass.

"And they came to him, and awoke him, saying, Master, master, we perish. Then he arose, and rebuked the wind and the raging of the water: and they ceased, and there was a calm" (Luke 8.24 KJV).

Repent, and turn back to the Lord. Some good scriptures to read are the Psalms, as David often writes of his spiritual struggles. Maybe put in some Christian music, or listen to your favorite pastor. If you have a study group you could meet with them.

A big part of being a Christian is that after we get into trouble, we learn to discipline ourselves, and not get tempted into things that we know will alienate us from the Lord. Especially things from our past.

Rudy 07 Aug 2009, 05:59

I found this, and I must say, it seems to have cleaned out the infestation of my home. My home feels like it use to.

Play it loud:

It's good for curses and such also. There are many fools out there that love Satan. So let's send them a little gift.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ2-p42dlsw&feature=related

Rudy 07 Aug 2009, 06:21

Just resubscribing, if anyone needs help with demons or spirits, let me know. I am using the armor of God and the link provided earlier. I do not seek to contend with Satan, we are to resist.

I feel sorry for anyone who has to go through what I have. These damned spirits manipulate reality itself. They have a mind control field, so they can direct other people's hostility toward us. They have installations on earth, and they travel back and forth from some other place. I have seen one of their transports.

The bible is right. They are mustering their forces for the showdown with the saints and God.

I was looking for Christ forums, and it is interesting how well infiltrated they are. I even got denied entrance to one for my testimony of God.

There are all these "light" lovers out there who seek a fake form of Christ. They want Christ their way, not the way he really is. They will say that the bible is outdated, and they have found a better way. When I went to one site, all they would talk about was light, chackras, and reptilian entities.

I tried to convince them that Christ is the "only" path, but they all ignored me, even cursed me.

I shake off my shoes to them.

Doug Buckley 10 Aug 2009, 17:36

Yeah play it loud, consider it an eviction notice for anything demonic. I wouldn't feel bad about getting booted from a forum, alot of them are run by self-righteous hypocrites. Theologyweb.com is pretty good.

Rudy 10 Aug 2009, 20:04

Satan is a whore, an imposterous, faking, whore.

I just do not get it. I'll be the first to admit I am a sinner. What is worse, the most loathsome sexual perv. That is, until now.

I was struggling with porn addiction. I want everyone to know. I do not want any credit for following God. It seems it is our duty to do so. I was washing some dishes and I thought, "Jesus i am a dummy, but why is lusting after women so bad"? This is how stupid we can be. Then it hit me. Is not lusting after a woman something like raping her in your mind?

Anyway, I was most definitely a slave of lust. I still am, but to a smaller degree. That is, I have to be very careful and watch my every intention. Sometimes I just look away.

Because, this is no joke. To those that think God is a joke I give you bitter warning. You say, but this guy has got to be making this up. OK, you go and think that, but don't beat yourself too much when you loose many nights of sleep because some damned demonic entities are driving you crazy. What is most curious is that i did not even see the entities after my bout of divination and contacting the damned demons, but it was my family they came for.

I still have to sort of pinch myself. "Am I really experiencing this, and why don't we hear more of this on TV"?

It is real people. THE devil or Satan is real. However, whereas God one must look for, Satan is readily found all over the place. He is in your face all over the media,or what I like to call " the air." That is correct, he is pumping out messages over the air like mad.

Everyone suspects there may be a God, but they accept the message that God is a tyrant. But you need to ask yourself, "would you really want a bunch of sexual perverts, liars, murderers, and thieves in heaven or UTopia?

I think not.

As for the Christian forums, these people are lower than flies. To think I would be booted from a site for simply posting a spiritual experience that has led me to Christ is the epitomy of ungodliness.

I shake the dust from my feet at them.

So here I am. I started doing something everyone would think I am insane for. I made all these posters with the name of Yeshua, and I put them all over my house. I got on my knees and prayed.

The demons must be pissed. And to be honest, I think I would forsake lust if only to piss them off because I hate evil so much.

The mental torture these damned demons put people through is amazing. So I ask God to make me an instrument of love and devotion. LEt me be , as it were, a living spirit of God.

I am now forever vigilant of my thoughts. Bring every thought into submission, but not of my will. Let it be the will of God in Christ.

Glory be to God and his Christ.

By the way, I found something that really helps.

It is called "Steps to Christ." Look for it on the net people.

Thank you for allowing me to tell my story, and hopefully, help those who search for sanctuary from Satan.

Doug Buckley 12 Aug 2009, 05:19

Thank you for your story Rudy,
Sometimes I get mad about how hard it can be to follow Christ at times, but then I think of how much I hate Satan and his works. Like a cancer he just spreads and takes things over. Jesus is the only way of life.

genoark 31 May 2010, 18:49

you can only cast out demons by the Spirit of God. in order to be filled with the Holy Spirit, we need to be baptized by Holy Spirit and hopefully seek the gift of tongues and pray in it. After you have been praying in the Holy Spirit language enough you will be filled with faith from God and with that courage that Holy Spirit gives you cast out any demonic activities in Jesus name and plead the blood of Jesus.

God bless y'all

jackie 22 Aug 2010, 11:51

i had an unusual experience once, i spent the nitght at my brothers apartment, my younger sis was staying and had been dabbling in crystals and higher levels, chakra points etc.. i didn't know any of this, til i went to sleep that night, i had dreams of people taking my sister, the had torches, one male (good looking) had her by the hand, i was yelling for her not to go with them, the male turned and smiled at me a wicked smile, then i was at a hospital gift shop full of books and i showed my dad what she was doing and i picked up a book that said spiritism and demonology, as i waoke from the dream, i saw a huge black cloaked entity standing at a distance, at the foot of my ex-husbands bed, he was not saved, it scared me so bad, i actually succked myself into the cushions, as i blinked, it dissappeared, i jumped up and turned on the lights, i was shaken so bad, the next morning i went into my sisters closet to borrow some clothes, and i noticed books on top shelf, i pulled them down and they were the same kind of books i saw in my dream, about higher powers, chakras, self healing, crystals, magic and all that stuff, even yoga, yoga is areligion and people need to be careful ,it has satanic roots, i was shocked that i was able to discern and see the satanic spirits in the apartment stay away from meditation books and yoga and crysatals, it is definately a poral to the underworld, they seek out gullable people with low self esteem to posess, kids play these games for fun and they don't realize what they are doing, til it's too late, dr4ug addictions, rape, thievery,porn etc.. is all the result ofdabbling in the occult, so is reading tarot cards and horoscopes, i had my own experience with that, so listen to your pastors, the know Gods word, stay clean of demonology.

Doug Buckley 22 Aug 2010, 23:22

Hi Jackie, Thanks for sharing your experience.

jackie 23 Aug 2010, 22:38

wow my computer was messing up, i am actually a very good speller, what do you think the black cloaked entity was, that i saw, doug? was it the devil or a bad spirit? it was huge, around 7-8 ft. tall and broad, like a giant, but had no face, just an empty dark cloak, with the form of a giant man. i am very intuitive of evil around me, i always pick up on things, and have dreams that come true, usually warnings, and sad events like a death in the family, also when something bad is about to transpire at work, i also dream places before i have ever been. sometimes i dream of evil vampire looking beings chasing me, but i call on Jesus in my dreams and i always wake unharmed, one more than a handful of times i have had friends that turned out to be wichan witches, they are drawn to me and get angry when i move away and blow them off, one called me from california once and she said she could see me from a birds eyes in a tree outside my house, i became afraid when she said that and i started calling on Jesus in my mind, and she started screaming for me to stop that, and i asked what she was talking about, but i knew what she was talking about, i don't know what she was doing, but just calling on Jesus in my mind, made her scream and she sounded like she was in severe pain, i hung up and never spoke to her again, i was in texas and her in rio alto cali. did you know that just thinking on Jesus makes demons run away? i found out that night she called me, i had moved away when we both lived in ft. walto beach fla., and she became angry, i responsible for a long illness i suffered while living there and hanging around with her, she said she was a good witch but my father always told us, witchcraft is witchcraft, please tell us what subject and my gift, so i can use it for Gods glory, tanks jackie

Doug Buckley 25 Aug 2010, 04:56

Hi Jackie,
Thank you for sharing your experiences. I can't say for sure what that thing was in the room, but probably a demon of some type. Some demons are stronger than others (Matthew 17), but they also tend not to go where they are spiritually unwelcome, like the domain of a strong Christian. Just thinking about or speaking of Christ repels them. We have to watch out for the devil's traps and snares more than demons.

The story about your friend looking in on you is pretty scary. I think they do believe in and practice leaving their bodies. It's good not to be "yoked" to unbelievers, which I think means have get too close to, or be tied to them. I suppose this would include Christians who are hypocrites. The devil uses them. There's certainly no good witchcraft, and God is the only source of true blessings. Also, it's hard to say what other people's callings are in Christ. When we feel Christ leading us, we must remember to not "kick against the pricks". God bless.

jackie 13 Sep 2010, 23:34

i STARTED HAVING DREAMS BOUT THE END OF THE WORLD when I was 11. later I heard angels call my name at different times, from the sky, I got used to it, then it stopped at 12 or 13, but as I grew, I became very aware of things,, bad vibes from certain people etc.. at 11, I began having dreams that came true, if someone in the family was going to go through something, I would dream it right before or some time before, it would be a strong dream, like a warning and I wouldn't get it out of my mind, I saw my daughter before I knew I was pregnant, and saw her how she looked at a later age, and I have dreamt about demons and actually warring spiritually with them 'In Jesus name" I believe I may have a prophetic gift of some sort , like daniel and prophecy is my favorite subject, I am drawn to ezekiel and daniel and also john, because I can relate, where can I go to be with others like me, is there a church group somewhere that deals with these types of gifts, I don't dabble in magic, everything is shown to me in dreams, but not often, it may happen 4-6 times in a year, I have learned to recognize prophetic dreams and normal dreaming, it's not the same, I actually walked and talked with Jesus, and He showed my brother was going to become a minister of some sort, and I saw a glimpse of heaven, I have had alot of dreams of the future, and I know they will be happening real soon, I just don't have dates, I really feel like God wants me to tell of my dreams as a warning, I never asked for this, it was just something that I realized God gave me, as I matured. I do know that we will be here through all the mess, but somehow Christians won't be hurt, He showed me that we would be under tents on a hill with water to one side that we cannot cross, and military forces on horses taking chained men some place, alot of them, I could see it all happening yet I stayed on the hill with countless others, in safety, oh! and when I spoke with Jesus, I didn't see Him physically, He was walking beside me, and we spoke but it wasn't as we speak as humans, it was an exchange, like His words penetrated my body or being yet I had some kind of body, that looked fleshy , but everything I wanted to say flowed through Him and His words through me, I couldn't describe it, but you also hear it at the same time, I am not a wierdo, but I can't just tell people besides my family about this stuff cause they'll lock me up, I work as a proffessional and have no illnesses other than occassional allergies, I am being totally honest about these things, but nobody other than family to share with. please comment jackie

Doug Buckley 14 Sep 2010, 13:07

Well, all I can say is that I wish I had a dime for every person that thinks they are some kind of prophet, or have a prophetic gift. I was listening to guy on youtube who claims to have died, gone to hell, then was rescued by Jesus. I found the story very compelling, till he started to say that Jesus told him things that I know are biblically inaccurate. I think he just had a vivid dream while he was very ill. God might very well be giving you some dreams or visions; use them to serve him and don't be concerned about what people think.

Jackie 16 Sep 2010, 14:50

how about the gnashing of teeth? and the demons that possessed the man in Jesus day, if they are being held unto the day of judgement, how did they get out to roam and get into a person? they even ask Jesus not to send them back there, and why does Jesus allow their request? IT DOESN'T ADD UP. something is being left out of Bible teachings, cause how could these spirits live so long, if they have already been judged? if demons are as satan, , why are they alive still, if they are in hell, the temporay one, why? they have no chance of reversing their sentence do they? why does the Bible say demons look for a house that has been swept clean so they could reside in it? sounds like they are free to do what they want and go anywhere, or are they somehow trying to reside in someone and have a chance at salvation? This subject is very confusing and I don't listen to mans ideas, only to scripture, cause, alot of things make sense, but if it's about the same thing, one idea has to be wrong and one right. alot of teachings by man are pure speculation, and could be false. why is satan allowed into heaven, close to Gods throne, with the rest of the angels{sons} if Gods throne is sacred? or Holy?to go there, then he does not have flesh and bone, so i'm confused, cause when the antiChrist is destroyed, it says they look upon his body and he's just a man, if he's a man, then he must be billions of years old and where did he get a body? if he is just a spirit, he cannot procreate or he would be like God. something here doesn't add up,

another thing is, why judge us later if we are already judged to a temporay hell? that makes me think that we would actually get a second chance to repent, is that possible? if a person knows he's doomed what's the difference of if it's complete annihilation now or later? if I knew I was doomed, why hang around possessing people, whats the purpose? it seems to me that demons are much more intelligent than humans and would get nothing out of possessing people unless they were in a literal burning hell and need a portal to get here, so they use mediums and witches to get in and escape the fiery pit for awhile, til they are discovered and cast back to hell. is the temporary hell hot too? CAUSE THE DEMONS AND FALLEN ANGELS SURE DON'T WANT TO STAY THERE JACKIE

Doug Buckley 16 Sep 2010, 19:16

Hi Jackie, (moved your question over here since its more about demons).
The demons likely come out of Hades, but I don't really know how they get out. Alot of people claim to summon demons. They'd rather be here than being tormented in Hades.

When Jesus allows the demons to enter the pigs, they go over a cliff and drown themselves. Pigs are pretty carnal and disgusting animals. They role around in their own filth, yet even they couldn't deal with being possessed. So maybe its saying pigs are more spiritually clean than alot of people.

Demons basically reside in people because they are spiritual parasites, that feed off the living. Demons are not free to go anywhere, they are just opportunists that look for a home. Sometimes they just hand around a person, but sometimes they can fully possess a person, especially when alot of sin and abuse is present. I don't think demons have much chance of forgiveness on Judgment Day, they are wicked. God's going to deal with the wicked permanently on Judgment Day, and that hasn't come yet.

Satan is not allowed near God's throne. He is in heaven, but he is not part of God's Kingdom. He is an angel, and angels have spiritual bodies, not flesh. Demons are not more intelligent than people, and they are not an issue for serious Christians.

Alot of souls will hear the truth and come to repentence in the future, even after they die. That's why there are two hells and a millennium. People are not condemned to eternal hell the instant that they die. Why don't you take the time to read the chapters about hell and the millennium.

jackie 16 Sep 2010, 23:30

I have read them, but still don't feel everyone knows exactly what they are, personally I think a huge section of scripture is missing, it doesn't explain evrything clearly, it says things that can fit into many different scenarios, like a fortune cookie, that says you will be taking a trip soon, and it may be a trip to the store or whatever,the Bible says satan came in among the sons of God, and God asked him where he'd been... first of all, in genesis, he is already a serpent when he approaches eve, I know enough about us women to know if a snake came up and started talking to me ,I would run fast, and then after that incident, God curses satan more than all the cattle, this part is very vague, cause why more than all the cattle, if he was a snake already in the garden, I thought of the possibility of the cattle part , implicating the sacrifices, of man which would come later for sinning, since bulls were one of many sacrifices later on. this satan, what is he? is he a man? or an angel, or a spirit? I was always taught that he was some kind of glorious angel and later a snake and then a man in the final judgement, and if this was true, then all the fallen angels must be the same way now, just like adam sinned all who sin are under the same rules. whats your take on this?jackie

Doug Buckley 19 Sep 2010, 03:29

Jackie, Demons are disembodied spirits, but Satan is an angel with a spiritual body. The sepent is more a symbol in that it has a forked tongue (liar), and it uses its venom to defeat its prey. The bible often uses metaphor to describe spiritual realities, and that is partly why it takes time and effort to understand. Risen from the Dust is about helping people understand what the bible really says about hell, heaven, and the resurrection of the dead.

jackie 21 Sep 2010, 00:17

doug, ok, if it's a metaphor, then how do you explain eve being able to see him and converse with him? "satan" if it was only supposed to be eve and adam, where does satan come in? was it all in her mind? if so why not only curse humans, but He curses satan the worse.we know we were made in Gods image, so we resemble Him, because He was described as a 4th man, in the fiery furnace, so spirits can be seen, , i believe that when God speaks of us being quickened, as the angels, we are enhanced to be able to see spirits as well, I just don't get it, wasn't satan defeated at the cross? cause that's what we look to for salvation, I was taught that satan cannot touch a child of God, baptized and born again in the Spirit. why would satan still have power, if he's been defeated already? plus, I always hear from people in churches, because he's angry and wants to take us with him, but is that scriptural or just someones theory? all I know, is the Bible was simple as a child, I just believed, but as I have grown and have studied with many different religions, it suddenly became unclear instead of bringing people to Christ, most religions push people away with their traditions and false doctrine, sometimes it's not easy to spot a false teaching, cause they word it in ways that might make sense and play with ones mind, can a person be sure that a certain passage is symbolic or literal, are their rules for that? I am cautious to follow a mans teaching cause there are so many views, who is right? I know revelation is symbolic, but it states that,Jesus speaks He says what is a parrable. but where do you draw the line, if something doesn't make sense, we assume it must be symbolic remember, 100 years ago we couldn't see ever going to the moon, or driving cars, or flying in planes, so the Bible could just be literal, cause it could be visions of our future of stuff we havent invented yet. I believe Elijah leaves in a rocket or space ship used for transport, and that he traveled in time to the future, our time, to be one of the two witnesses, I am only speculating, but I believe those guys were taken to help somewhere else where needed. what do you say? jackie

jackie 21 Sep 2010, 14:17

I WANT TO ADD, THAT i AM NOT SURE ANYONE CAN INTERPRET THE bIBLE, WITH 100 %ACCURACY. BECAUSE IF THEY COULD, i'M AFRAID THEY WOULD KNOW MANS DESTINY TO THE LAST LETTER. can anyone say, I know the truth but you don't? cause what if every religion has a bit of truth? some things cannot be explained but are pure speculation on the writers part, something as serious as Bible teaching could mean life or death for the teacher, cause misguiding someone is serious business, and I don't believe we have to know certain things, but stay focused on what Jesus did, His death and resurrection and build from there, cause I hear about all kinds of things, from people seeing dead grandparents speak to them and wierd things like that, and when you compare the story of saul and the witch at endor with her being able to summon samuels spirit out of the grave, it makes you wonder if that is possible, with a saint, was it really samuel or was it a demon, cause it spoke the reality that came true. so many people wonder about this stuff. and who were the people who came out of the tombs and went into the city and were seen of their relatives ater the resurrection? why would God do that if it wasn't meant to teach us of an afterlife in the flesh? and one more question: when the bones of the dead man touched the bones of Elijah, he revived, what happened to him? wouldn't he be the first to ressurect? cause up t that point I never heard of anyone else coming to life, and just by coming in contact with the bones of a believer. this stuff is fascinating and desrves a good explanation. jackie

Doug Buckley 25 Sep 2010, 22:04

Hi Jackie, when it comes to interpreting the bible, its all about putting together the different bits and pieces into a coherent whole. Alot of your questions are good, and I don't know alot of them.

Even with Christ in us there is still a spiritual battle going on. Satan is defeated in Christ, but he is still the king of the world, and we live in the world. Satan's gonna find our weaknesses and hammer away at them, hoping to put us back under his thumb where everyone else is. The serpent injects venom into its prey, then it waits. It lets the venom do the work, dissolving them from the inside, then it swallows them whole. Satan does the same with his lies. His lies do the work, then he consumes his prey. The metaphor is spot on.

I'm pretty sure with Saul and the witch of Endor that it really was Samuel that came up. A demon cannot predict the future like that. I think Saul and the witch got more than they bargained for.

jackie 27 Sep 2010, 01:10

ok, good answers, I guess you know by now I am a very deep thinker, since my experiences of seeing that dark entity and the dreams, I have set out to figure out what, why and whatever it takes to explain these things, there are people still that dream prophetic dreams,, now I know about wierd dreams after eating certain foods and such, I read alot, and have studied alternative and wholistic medicine, natural healing herbs, so I stay away from exotic foods and all that, I pretty much eat normal everyday foods and don't try new things, so I know it's not that, especially since the dreams come true, or I see a place before I have ever been there, a totally new place where I have never been, also I dreamt my daughter, the only one I have, years before birth, older and then when I got pregnant, I couldn't have children and didn't know til I dreamt a baby laying on my bed, 4 months old with big blue eyes and exactly as she would look, at 4 months old, and I was already 8 weeks pregnant, and didn't know it, I was going to start a diet, but the dream prompted me to go get checked cause it was very vivid, and I was shocked to be pregnant, since I was already 36 and had never taken birth control cause I was sterile, if it were not for the dream I had (from God) I would have lost her with diet pills I had ordered 2 weeks in advance, I know my dreams and visions are real, I can tell when they are immediate dreams, meaning they could happen any minute or day, and there are other dreams that seem in a few months or more, and then there are other dreams that seem way off, though I don't have exact dates, I know more or less when they will transpire, I don't dabble in the occult, or anything like that and I don't speak out about them, only if it is something I feel weighs heavy on my heart to warn a family member of danger, or to be careful on a trip or avoid this or that. I do feel God warns me, cause He knows I love my family and will call them to warn them. no one else has the dreams in my family, just me. I also feel uneasy before something happens, like an argument or something at work, I am not boasting, I just want you to know that God is very active and there are real prophets, "still" I believe prophets have a different role to play in the last days, and that is to warn as many as they can about coming events, alot of preachers only think they know everything, but they haven't a clue as to what's really coming or what they will do when tragedy strikes, I have seen an earthquake, I have seen people trapped under water, I have seen men on horseback corraling men in shackels and long lines, the men on horseback had dark colored uniforms, these things are for the future, but not too far into the future, maybe a few years, maybe less. but the deal with my daughter, happened to save her life, if I had started that diet she would have died, cause the hebal remedy said it would cause miscarriage if you are pregnant., I am very close to God, I speak to Him everyday, if I am upset I let Him know, etc.. He has always been there and has saved my life on more than one occasion, the dreams are there to save, not just me and my family, but anyone who will listen and believe, I appreciate all of your responses to my messages and strange questions/ jackie

Doug Buckley 03 Oct 2010, 08:47

Thank you for sharing, and it sounds like God has helped you and delivered you through these dreams and experiences.

jackie 05 Oct 2010, 00:05

hello again, do you believe that God is one God? The Spirit,the Son, and Holy Ghost? that is the hardest thing for people to grasp, who Jesus is, if He is not God, then people are worshipping 2 gods, and that leaves the Spirit out. does God exist in different dimensions? cause it says He's the one who was and is and is to come, yet it also says He hands over everything after He has put it under subjection, so that God could be all in all.He also says after the resurrection that He had not yet ascended to the Father, what's the answer to this?jackie

Doug Buckley 05 Oct 2010, 10:48

I definitely believe in the trinity. Basically God can exist in multiple places at the same time. So Jesus was God incarnate, and yet prayed to God as his Father, and so was also the Son of God. God is not confined to a single consciousness at one time, and so the trinity is the true form of God.

jackie 08 Oct 2010, 19:27

ok, if the trinity explains GOD, trinity means 3, so if there's only one, why does the Bible say that if we sin against God or the SON it is forgiven, but sinning against the HOLY SPIRIT is the unpardinable sin, if they are indeed the same person, how is that even possible? doesn't it make more sense to say it's a family and the Spirit is the superior one?
cause all things are forgiven, but speaking against the Spirit.
the Spirit hovered over the waters at the beginning, He overshadowed mary and she concieved and He is the searcher of our hearts, the word is so complicated I wouldn't want the pressure of shepherding His flock, cause if you mess up ,it's the pit. when Jesus walked on the water He was not human, but a spirit, cause nobody can do that and cheat gravity. and when Moses saw Gods back parts, what does that mean? was He Jesus? or another person? cause He had an obvious body. jackie

Lynda 20 Oct 2010, 15:49

Lynda Oct. 20, 2010 3:37

Hi Dough, Have not heard from you yet. Hope to hear from you soon. Thank you for explaining that demons are not fallen angels. I thought they were. How did I miss that. I have a question. What do you think aliens are? Lots of people sure are having a lot of strange experiences. I had some encounter a few years ago when I was actively going to a church. something was really trying to scare me. I finally started to play songs that talked about theblood of jesus. It worked. Was never bothered again. I think you are right about evil spirits liking fear. I am so glad I found this site. God Bless.

Doug Buckley 21 Oct 2010, 11:40

Hi Lynda, IMO the phenomenon of aliens is mostly a combination of mass hysteria, misidentification of things like satellites and meteors, people's imaginations, hoaxers, publicity seekers, liars, secret government projects, etc. However, some abduction accounts and sightings are not so easily written off, and seem supernatural and demonic in nature, and people are just reinterpreting them from a modern perspective. It doesn't make sense that an alien civilization would come all this way to run around in spaceships scaring people, so I don't believe in "aliens" per se.

jackie 24 Oct 2010, 03:25

I agree that there arent any aliens, but demons that are appearing to people to scare them and keep them in fear, but I would be lying if I said I had never had an experience, as I told you before, , when I stayed with my brother and a younger sister of mine was staying there during my visit, a man at her job had given her crystals, and books on new age philosophies and all that stuff, I was unaware of this, but the first night of sleeping there, I had a terrible dream about her being taken by this guy and I tried to stop her and he was with a large group of people in hooded outfits and torches, and then in the dream I showed my dad books in a hospital bookstore that were about demonology and spiritism, as I awoke, a huge figure was in the room standing, it was a giant black cloaked figure of a giant man, with broad shoulders, but had no face or hands, or feet, it was an empty cloak, with black night filling it out, I was wide awake, I got really scared and when I blinked, it disppeared, I was wide awake, the street lights were shining in thru the window and I could see it clearly, I had never felt that scared in my life, next day when I went to my sisters closet to borrow clothes I saw some books at the top of the closet and I took them down and they were exactly what I had dreamt that night before, I was shocked and my brother told my sister to get them out of the house, she was gullable and didn't realize, she was opening a door for demons to get into the house, these bppks coming in, opened doors to these spirits and that huge entity was there and I saw it plain as day, God allowed me to see it cause I read my Bible and pray alot everyday, so that spirit was exposed to me so my brother could be told and the books could be thrown out. you have to be careful that you don't buy just anything at yard sales and stuff or accept gifts from people you know are pshycics or palm readers or new agers, astrologers or any of that ,cause they come with spirits attached to them, my friend bought a night stand from a couple who were selling their grandmothers stuff, well she started hearing things walking around at night and it scared her, she questioned the couple about the table and the girl said that her grandmother kept voodoo dolls in that night stand and her witch materials, she went to burn the table in a barrel (cause she lived outside the city) and they burn their trash, and screams came out of the table as it burned, so these spirits can also get inside inanimate objects. and God is my witness that this is all true, not a story from some lunatic, and alot of people have similar experiences, but never come forward for fear that they will be called liars or crazies, I am completely sane and this is true. so I know there is a God, seeing that entity, actually made me believe in God more, cause the Bible speaks about these spirits, and that confirmed it for me, the Bible doesn't lie.jackie

simon 18 Nov 2010, 14:53

hi can any one tell me what it was that i saw and why i saw them and iv seen all over the Internet that people are sharing this experience but no one can explain to me what iv seen .here's my story i was very young about 8 yrs old i went over to stay with my grandparents house as normal they put me to bed i laid there looking towards the wall i turned over to see a dark cloaked man with no face couldt see hands or feet he was darker then the room and was 2 tall to be a human about 7ft or 8ft there was 2 of them standing next to each other really close to me about 60 cm away i was lost for words cundt talk or scream for my grandparents i just looked at them for around 5 mins i was so scared i hid under the blanket and every thing went blank after this next thing i no its morning but i was left with like a pin prick on my left hand the mark still there now its really ichy i asked my grandparents if it was them they said no i no i wasnt dreaming 110% sure of this .im 24 now it was long time ago never seen them since but it plays on my mind alot every day i need to no what it was i seen that night and why me .at around the same year my dad said he seen a indigo light around my head some kind of aroa as iv been told .enyways all my life iv had open mind and i am drawn to the year of 2012 i have this feeling that somthing is returning to earth people think im mad but i feel it and dream of it iv had a dream all my life off wave of water and me flying above it same dream since i was young can eny one tell why i dont feel normal and why me .dj insight thank you for reading

Doug Buckley 18 Nov 2010, 23:16

Hi Simon, sounds like you saw a couple of demons. IMO you should be glad they're gone, and not go looking for more.

simon 22 Nov 2010, 17:00

hi sorry to jump in again but id like some more info on what it was i saw that night and why they came for me and id like to no more about geting closer to god as i no there is a god but there so meny different storys i hear my mother is pagan she say theres no god she says alien race made us but i no there something after seeing wot i seen i no there more and can eny 1 tell me about 2012 my mother says this is the year of judgement an alien race will return they speak in sumerian language they were ment to come to earth and breed with are female homosapien in which made evolution for human race as we no it today and they have kept a close eye on earth for 1000 of years ready for there return they alson gave us technology . but i dont like to believe it or not but i nos theres somthing as i seem them dark cloacked demons as you say but why wud they come for me and why did my dad see an indigo light around my head if you guy seem to no alot about are god please feel free to explain thank you

Doug Buckley 24 Nov 2010, 06:19

Hi Simon, I don't know exactly what you experienced, but I can tell you that demons want you to be interested in them, and God doesn't want you to be interested in them, and if you go looking for demons they will make you miserable.

I'm not an evangelist. Most people who come here are already somewhat familiar with the bible, and looking for deeper answers to questions they have. There is a God, and he loves you, and the way you get to know him is through Jesus Christ. It all starts with hearing and believing in the Word of God, which is the bible. I'll send you some links of teachers that help lead alot of people into the Word.

simon 24 Nov 2010, 12:08

thank you id love to get closer to god im only young and i did live with jesus army when i was young as my dad was going fro a bad time but i was to young to understand but no yeh im looking for somthing iv became intressed in pagan stuff and the way the world is changing so fast and the plans for a new world order antichrist some thing is to first become a king then to say he is a god in this time he will have total control over man and make us do the things he wants he will make illness and then take it away he will make the rich more richer poor more poorer and i belive that 3rd world nations will be wiped from this earth is hes plan in 2012 and they will make it look like it was nature but it will be are gov there is so much to no about are gov but i dont like this so jesus needs to return and save us from this this 1 brings tears to my eyes to see how 3 rd world nations live and we have it all here its not fair we are all human y can we all stand up to are gov and change this world only man can do this we dont need order from gov its up to us as mankind to make this world better place but its overrun with greed of money money is evil in my eyes yeh we need it cuz gov make us need to we shud live in peace where every 1 is your friend and we help each other .enyways yeh id like more info on jesus im not very good at reading and writing i find it hard to understand the bible but i wants to get close to god now hes my email djinsight@rocketmail.com thank you guys

jackie 02 Dec 2010, 00:13

simon
you eed to go back and read about my experience, i also saw exactly what you described, but it was futyjrt away, huge , a cloaked being, wth no body, just dark night in the cloak, well, at the time my tounger half sister had dabblrd in new age philosophy , crystals, yoga and all that, she opened up a door and demons cane into the apartment, but i am a Christian, so God showed me in a dream about it and when i woke up, a demon was standing there, that's what you saw, it didn't touch me, but i feel God let me see it cause um strong spiritualy an u could pray for my sister, and that demon dissappeared fast, but i got as scared as you, i was shaking with fear, but you need to look around your grandparents home and get rid of all the magic and plm reading, horoscopes, mind books loke dianetics,yoga, higher powers, self help books that encurage meditation on anything other than Jesus, and all tarot cards, medallions etc.. these things and more invite demons into our homes, and make us fearful, it has taken me years to overcome that fear, one day i goi on my knees and commanded datan and his wicked spirits and all dark powers to leave in Jesus Christ name and i pleaded the blood of Jesus over my home, car workplace etc.. and i continie to do that everydaym and am at peace, remmber, God is not the aithor of confusion, but of a sound mind, and He also doesn't give us the spirit of fear,
but of power and peace, and we cannot worship Him if we are afraid, satan knows this and plays with us. j.c.

Lynda 04 Dec 2010, 11:47

Sat. 12-4-10

Hi Doug:
I was just reading the comments again. There is something tha helped me when I perceived contraditions in the bible. It use to make me so mad. I would tell God that things he said didn't make sense. Finally I was able to understand that is was not God, it was me. I had to go back and read some more. A very big help was getting a bible concordance, We sometimes read the bible like we would read no ther book. I would take thingsthat were said out of context. And not even remember the subject. Then there's time and place. Then somewhere I read this rule about who, what, and where. Who was the chapter written to, what is the subject and where is it happening.Sometimes things I thought we contradicting felt in place when I did that. sometimes it did not. I think the most important thing I learned in my search for the truth is I am the student.
I don't know more than God.It really is profound, it took me a long time to get my ego out of the way and humble myself.But that was when I really started to learn from God's word. I hope this helps someone. I just felt like sharing that. Got to go. Lynda

Doug Buckley 05 Dec 2010, 13:46

Jackie and Lynda, thank you for contributing. I moved some stuff around here.

The who, what, where thing sounds familiar to me. I think Arnold Murray says that once in a while.

Rain 23 Jan 2011, 02:43

i don't understand very much of this. i am only about 17 years old, but i have only had too things happen to me that are odd. my mother's father passed when i was younger, and i dont remember exactly how long afterward it was, but i had a nightmare, where i went to his coffin as if i was at his wake again, and he opened his eyes and stared at me and they were erie and yellow-ish, he also had long fingernails which he used to grab me, and that's all that i remember. the other was that my i was sad and crying. i didn't understand why, i was also young for this one, and i was asking all of my family who were crowded into a room what was going on. no one would tell me anything, and some where crying. everyone was sad. i kept on walking, and eventually came to a coffin, inside was my godmother. its was so realsitic, and i was crying so much and then i woke up and my throat and face felt like i'd been crying ( this happens in my dreams everything feels extremely real, and i can sometimes still fell it when i wake up) my godmother was ok, thank heavens, but it still bothers me to this day. my mother had dreams that came true, and a bunch of supernatural-ish stuff happens to her and her side of the family (mostly the women) and when she was pregnant with my younger brother there were a whole bunch of complications, and all she would tell me is that evil things didnt want him to be born. he was 5 weeks premmature but he was ok. thats just one of the odd things. im so curious and i want to know what sort of evil is out there, without straying from God. please give me some advice on this stuff.

Doug Buckley 24 Jan 2011, 15:42

Hi Rain, despite what you're probably being taught in school, people are spiritual beings, and I think most peole recognize that. However people are also trapped in the spiritual darkness and lies of their own sin. Jesus is the source of light, life, and he sets us free from the powers and demonic forces that work to enslave us. No one's getting away with anything, but you can have deliverance in him. Maybe take a look at my article about the lies of the serpent, it lays out what's going on now.

genoark 05 Oct 2011, 13:09

Hi, I can tell you about as far as I know. demons= dead people who didn't have Jesus Christ as savior, or Christians who did not repent while on earth, lived in sin and never came to repentance of their evil desires. they are all Slaves of sin. slaves of devil.
So when they die, devil is their boss, or fallen angels is their boss and these principalities of the rulers of the air send them to people. To possess them, to torment them, to give them diseases and incurable stuff like cancers, deformities, diabetes etc... I don't know how they do it but they create this lazy habits in people to be unhealthy. So when Jesus came to heal, He Casted out spirits like these and the people were healed by Holy Spirit of God who Jesus was baptized with. Now, we have access to Holy Spirit as well if you ask for it, Luke 11:13. People usually get Holy Spirit through Praying & Fasting or if people like Paul, full of HOly Spirit lays hands to baptize them in Holy Spirit.
Now in order to be filled with Holy Spirit, not just being baptized is only through Humbling ourselves, Praying without ceasing, especially in gift of Speaking in Tongues of God, Fasting, Reading the Bible with Jesus being taught by Holy Spirit.
Then as we give ourselves to God TOTALLY, HE will give us the power to cast all demons out in Jesus name! not only weak ones but Strong ones as well. demons are weak, they told me they are strong but they are liars and weak and miserable. because they are only dead people without body.
it doesn't matter if they are angels or dead people, point is to CAST THEM OUT in Jesus name! Mark 9 and these signs shall follow those who believe: They will speak with new tongues(praying in tongues of Holy SPirit) #2 and they will cast out demons in my name.

We are to cast them out and pray in tongues. they go both hand in hand because you need Holy Spirit to cast them out in Jesus name.

In order to defeat every Lusts, temptations there is only one thing. PRAY. longer than 5-20 min. usually more than hour of fervent prayer. because Jesus gave us the answer how not to get tempted. He was angry at his disciples for not being able to pray 1 hour with him. and said "pray that you do not get tempted!"

So hand in hand #1cast out demons and #2 PRAY!!

For the demons will try to return and come and get you if you don't be prayed up being filled with HOLY SPIRIT covered in Blood of Jesus Christ!.

God bless. Ps. I asked God about aliens and stuff God told me they are demonic, the angels took the UFOs in Ezekiel as well with them and they are devils riding on them tricking people so cast them out also.

genoark 05 Oct 2011, 13:13

sorry quoted wrong verse... Mark 16:17 NKJV
And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues

its this one...

d 18 Oct 2011, 17:11

Doug------- I desagree that demons are the spirits of the wicked dead humans. They are fallen angels that followed satan. Us as humans, go to one of two places when we die, we either go to hell or we go to heaven. The wicked are not free to just roam the earth when they die, they go to hell, there locked up in hell, now the devil and his demons which are fallen angels are free to roam this earth but we cant see them with the natural eye. Read begin to read in Luke 16:19 and you will see an example of someone that died and went to hell, he wasnt free to roam the earth causeing havoc. Demons being spirits of the dead is not biblical.

Doug Buckley 18 Oct 2011, 19:16

Hi d, there are some problems with saying that demons are fallen angels. 2nd Peter 2.4, says that the angels that sinned (ie left heaven) are bound in chains, which means they can't leave the underworld. Also angels are always depicted as having bodies but demons are bodiless. Romans 10.6-8 tells us that the abyss is the place of the dead, and in Luke 8.31 the demons are associated with the Abyss. So demons are some kind of evil disembodied spirits. People do summon demons, though I can't say for sure that demons are definitely dead people (just my opinion), they are associated with spiritual death and the dead (Isaiah 8.19).

d 18 Oct 2011, 20:20

Hey Doug,
Not all fallen angels are locked up in chains in hell, there are some. The devil was a fallen angel and he isnt locked up in hell bc 1Peter 5:8 says Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: So that verse shows that not all fallen angels are locked up.

Doug Buckley 19 Oct 2011, 02:41

Yes, there definitely are evil angels that are allied with Satan. Demons are more like miserable spiritual parasites, whereas we are in a spiritual war with Satan, “For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places” (Ephesians 6.12 NASB bible).

Lynda from Maine 21 Oct 2011, 13:30

Hi d, I think you are taking a scripture that is figutive and taking it literal. Satan is in heaven behind Jesus. Jesus told satan to get behind him and tha is where will be until he is kicked out by Michael along with other fallen angels. Satan will come pretending to be God.Scripture for this 2Thes. 2:3-4. Right now satan's spirit, thst negative part of god's plan is allowed to roam the earth.His little nasty, evil spirits.

Lynda from Maine 21 Oct 2011, 14:14

Hi Doug Oct.21, 2011

I've been studying the differnce between fallen angels and evil spirits, also called demon and unclean spirits in the Word of God.
Let's see I'll start with Fallen Angels.
Gen.1:26-27 tells us that man was made in the exact pattern, or image of God and the angels.
Exodus 16:14-24 tells us the Israelites ate "manna" the angel food in the wilderness and it sustained the the whole forty year generation.

Gen.6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughter of men that they were fair;(beautiful) and they took them as wives of all which they chose.

Gen.6:4 There were gaints in the earth in thoes day; and also after that, when the sons of God came unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
It would appear that the two separate body forms God created, angelic and human have certain things in common.
We see that angels definitely have bodies. They are not like the fairy tales we were told in some churches. They do not have wings and fallen angels are not red with long tails and pitch forks.
The off spring of this union that took place in Gen.6:4 are called "Nephilim", these angelic beings are the fallen angels of Jude 6, that kept not their first estate.

I am thinking it is more important than ever that we study and learn all Father God wants us to know about the supernatural. Because Jesus told us in Mat. 24:38&39 that it will be like the days of Noah prior to His return.Fallen angels will be on the earth again. They are coming with the master deceiver himself, satan, (antichrist) pretending to be God.
Please study and prove this to yourself. We do not have any experince with the supernatual and we will need God's help.Forgive me for going on like this. bye. Lynda

genoark 21 Oct 2011, 19:11

the dead roaming on earth is legit in the Bible backed up by many scriptures. look up the "dead" in biblegateway.com . God was angry when people consulted the dead on the behalf of living.
Is 8:19 And when they say to you, "Seek those who are mediums and wizards, who whisper and mutter," should not a people seek their God? Should they seek the dead on behalf of the living?

Ps 106:28-29They joined themselves also to Baal of Peor, And ate sacrifices made to the dead. 29Thus they provoked Him to anger with their deeds, And the plague broke out among them.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Matt 12:44 43 "When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, he goes through dry places, seeking rest, and finds none. 44 Then he says, 'I will return to my house from which I came.' And when he comes, he finds it empty, swept, and put in order. 45 Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter and dwell there; and the last state of that man is worse than the first. So shall it also be with this wicked generation.
Proverb 9:16-18 "Whoever is simple, let him turn in here"; And as for him who lacks understanding, she says to him, 17 "Stolen water is sweet, And bread eaten in secret is pleasant." 18 But he does not know that the dead are there, That her guests are in the depths of hell.

I believe they have time limit on earth until maybe 120years. Because the demons begged Jesus to send them into pigs saying that it is NOT their time to be tormented yet.
Matt8:29 And suddenly they cried out, saying, "What have we to do with You, Jesus, You Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?" 30 Now a good way off from them there was a herd of many swine feeding. 31 So the demons begged Him, saying, "If You cast us out, permit us to go away into the herd of swine."

They also said "abyss" which is what? total darkness?

Matt12:31 And they begged Him that He would not command them to go out into the abyss.

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