Risen from the Dust
Throughout the bible, heaven is the antithesis of hell; a beautiful paradise where God, his angels, and his holy temple abide, "The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD's throne is in heaven" (Psalm 11.4 KJV bible), "I saw the LORD sitting upon his throne, and all the host of heaven standing on his right hand and on his left" (2nd Chronicles 18.18 KJV bible), "Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven" (Matthew 6.9-10 KJV bible).
In the scriptures, however, heaven not only refers to Paradise as we understand it, but can also mean sky (atmosphere), or outer-space. For example, the expression "birds of the heavens" appears frequently, and clearly refers to the sky or atmosphere, not spiritual heaven, "he who dies in the field the birds of the heavens will eat" (1st Kings 14.11 NASB bible). Also, heaven is spoken of as the domain of the sun, moon, and stars, "And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven" (Deuteronomy 4.19 KJV bible). So biblical heaven can refer to either the sky, outer-space, or Paradise depending on the context in which it is used.
Even though the bible generally identifies all three distinct locations (sky, outer-space, and Paradise) as heaven, it does not teach that they are all the same thing. Instead, it testifies to the existence of different types or levels of heavens, "Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD's thy God" (Deuteronomy 10.14 KJV bible), "But will God in very deed dwell with men on the earth? behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain thee" (2nd Chronicles 6.18 KJV bible), "He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things" (Ephesians 4.10 KJV bible). The bible identifies various levels of heavens that are distinct and unique from eachother.
We are given further insight into this subject when Paul tells us of how he was taken up to the "third heaven", in 2nd Corinthians 12, "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven...How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter" (2nd Corinthians 12.2-4 KJV bible). Paul identifies the place that he was taken up to as Paradise, indicating that the third heaven is Paradise.
If Paul regards spiritual heaven or Paradise as the third heaven, then what are the first and second heavens? Most likely the sky or atmosphere is the first heaven, and outer-space is the second heaven. So while the bible accurately describes the natural world, it remains that we must use context and common sense to determine what is meant by the word heaven(s) in a particular passage.
Cheryl 10 Nov 2009, 18:04We, as believers are caught up in the third heaven when we die. Paul says, in to be absent in the body, is to be present with the Lord. I believe it is found in 2 Corin 5:
Doug Buckley 11 Nov 2009, 12:48Yes, the third heaven is where believers go when they die, "We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord" (2nd Corinthians 5.8 KJV bible).
Rob 16 Nov 2009, 08:13I have been trying to decide which version of the bible to read so I bought a KJV/NIV parallel bible yesterday. In the KJV (I am in Genesis) the word is heaven (singular). But, in the NIV the word is heavens (plural). Can someone explain this or give a reference that explains this? I have read the article above about the 3 heavens but would like to know more. Will I read about this more later in the bible? Thank you, this is my first time reading the bible and it has been a few years since I regularly attended church.
Doug Buckley 16 Nov 2009, 19:42Hi Rob,
Dr. Maxcina Gadsden 18 Feb 2010, 10:12Tell me more
Doug Buckley 18 Feb 2010, 13:12Hi Dr. Gadsden,
Jeanette Deleon 16 Aug 2010, 02:27I had no idea about the bible has 3 heavens till I ran across this topic with someone I know. It made me curious. I just want understanding and education for this topic. How can I get this information? I'm not sure I'm at the right link to post this. It's my first time and I'm very interested on finding out about the 3 heavens.
Doug Buckley 17 Aug 2010, 03:49Hi Jeanette, thank you for visiting,
Clay 08 Sep 2010, 19:27I have found the three heavens to be a major point in the CJCLS. I've now been engaged with someone who strongly believes there are three distinct heavens. What is that about? Is it a positive that the 1st and 2nd are the sky and outerspace? Just curious as the TORAH reads "When God began to create heaven and earth" in Genesis 1:1 yet they use the KJV and NKJV as differing points on the plural.
Doug Buckley 09 Sep 2010, 14:18Hi Clay, good to hear from you
robert gonzales 21 Oct 2010, 04:51my question is, Is there people in heaven now?
Doug Buckley 21 Oct 2010, 11:22Hi Robert, yes there are people in Paradise or the third heaven right now. See ch.4 Souls in Heaven, on the right.
Scott Whicker 11 Nov 2010, 13:51I, like someone's previous post, heard of the 3 heavens today from a friend. I was curious, so I Googled it and found this website. Thanks for the explainations.
Doug Buckley 11 Nov 2010, 15:38Hi Scott, its good to hear from you in regards to the three heavens. Christianity is a religion of thinkers. However, sometimes Christians end up in protracted philosophical debates trying to understand or defend an idea that's not even biblical. So both reading and thinking about the bible is the way to grow and progress spiritually.
james 15 Dec 2010, 04:05I am also beginning to understand the bible more. In the bible God will tell you if you want wisdom he would give it to you. You will also read in the bible God will tell you have not because you ask not. It also would tell you lean not to your own understanding. I quess what i am trying to say is ask God for understanding that mean everything including the Holy Bible. God want you to feel like you can come to him for anything he is your father. Before reading the word ask for understanding don't just relie on your are mans understanding. ask for understanding each and everytime you read the bible. ask god to open your heart. mind and soul for understanding everything Thank You for letting me speak my mind
twila 15 Feb 2011, 22:16Hi ive been a christian all my life im not perfect like nor is anyone else. i have fallen like many but im wanting to understand the bible and especially this topic now if i understand this correctley the sky is the 1st heaven u can see it from earth to the blue sky. 2nd heaven outer space u cant see this and the 3rd heaven is where God resides this is a lot to take in at one time but with there being 3 heavens there has to be reason for this now what im understanding is its with crowns and its by faithful works like i teach and i feel that this is what God wants me to do and be in a christian atmosphere so that is in works to the faith of what i believe he wants me to be and do. So i guess what im not understanding is why 3 heavens to do this does it mean i have to go through all 3 heavens to get to the 3rd heaven? or do we just go straight to the 3rd heaven where God prosides? if its by faiths but we dont have to do extra works but just do what God wants and needs us to do then how or what do the levels have to do with this im sorry i know this is randomly all over the place but this is my thinking random at this moment and i hate being in a random state of mind i would love to know the answers so i can sleep with a piece of mind thanks so much. and i really appreciate this page. so the crowns levels etc. im confused a little no lie there lol. please help if u can.
Doug Buckley 16 Feb 2011, 00:11Hi Twila, Good to hear from you. You're understanding of the three heavens is correct; the first heaven in the sky, the second is outer-space, and the third heaven is spiritual heaven. However, believers don't go to the first or second heavens. Its just the word for sky is also the word for spiritual heaven. As to your second question, no one is saved through works, but they are required for faith to prosper and survive in us (see the article on faith vs. works in the articles section for more on this).
Twila 16 Feb 2011, 23:49hi mr Doug.
Doug Buckley 18 Feb 2011, 04:59Hi Twila, I don't know what they're saying about crowns or drinking glasses The bible associates the sky and cosmos with spiritual heaven because there are similarities, ch.8 expands on this. So its not just a coincidence that the world for sky is also the word for spiritual heavens. Click on the articles/essays section at the top and you should see the faith vs. works article on the right.
Tahir Kamal 17 Mar 2011, 13:33Hi Mr. Doug
Doug Buckley 18 Mar 2011, 13:08Hi Tahir, I don't think that the third heaven or Paradise is in a particular direction, but for lack of a better word it is in another dimension (see ch.8). The devil and his angels aren't yet kicked out of heaven (see ch.5). They are allowed to keep their place until the tribulation. Good to hear from you and God bless.
Jonathan 21 Mar 2011, 18:25Hi Doug. I have recently been appointed to teach sunday school at my church to the adult class and want to thank you for this understanding of the 3 heavens. The discussion came up in class sunday morning and I couldn't answer the question at that time, but thanks to your explanation of the 3 heavens I can explain this to others. I ask that you pray for me because I was asked to teach several years ago (not very savy on the bible then, but was appointed to the position) and I am new at teaching from the bible and learning every day. May God bless you brother in all that you say and do. Thanks!
Doug Buckley 22 Mar 2011, 14:04Hi Jonathan, it's good to hear from you and I'm glad that I could help with understanding the three heavens. The fact that you're looking for biblical answers and want to be prepared to serve the Lord tells me that you'll do great, and I will pray that God uses you as a light to others.
adewole bamigbola 31 Mar 2011, 11:16thanks for your effort about the heaven but to me as a spiritual man i think we have seven heavens because in book of Rev21:1,20:1,15:1,4:1 this are different type of heavens there so i want you to clearify
Doug Buckley 01 Apr 2011, 16:11Hi Adewole, I'm not seeing how those verses support more than three heavens or seven heavens, but its true that there will be a new heaven and earth after the second resurrection and judgment day (Revelation 21.1). Good to hear from you.
Sandra 08 Apr 2011, 22:34I was asked about the three heavens by my mother-in-law and found your site by going to Google. I will be checking back for more information about the Bible. I am an born again Christain and want to learn more about our God.
Doug Buckley 09 Apr 2011, 16:01I'm glad I could help about the three heavens and it's good to hear from you.
Br.BILL 11 Apr 2011, 23:26there is on question on 3 heaven, 1# sky,moon and stars,sun. 2# the throne of God,The holy place,or judgment set of God,this is were SATAN got cast out of heaven, 3# new heaven a places that was prepared for us call the HOLY OF HOLIES were no sin can enter in,called (heaven street of gold and more.) the 2# heaven is place that is were Satan can be bound in heaven and earth when we serve god by faith then heaven and earth will be set free,( this is the spiritual warfare is in heaven,that aloud god to bind Satan when we serve him.( can email scripture's if needed )
Carol Helms 16 Aug 2011, 00:55Could you please send me Scripture verses about the 3 Heavens. so that I may understand this in My Bible Study Thank you so Much and God Bless you
Doug Buckley 16 Aug 2011, 19:43Hi Carol, the verses about the three heavens are in the chapter at the top.
Willy .W. 05 Oct 2011, 05:30Thanks Doug for your explanations.
Doug Buckley 06 Oct 2011, 15:42Hi Willy, the devil dwells in the third heaven which is the only heaven that is spiritual. The other two heavens are just the sky and outer space. The third heaven is big and so there is room for both sides of good and evil.
GIDEON BAKE 07 Oct 2011, 10:12I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS TO ASK.
Doug Buckley 08 Oct 2011, 13:44Hi Gideon, the first heaven is the sky, the second heaven is outer space, and the third heaven is spiritual heaven with the angels and such (see previous). Its hard to say what daily life is like in the third heaven. Its a place of dominions and powers. Sometimes things can be expressed better with art and music.
Deb 17 Oct 2011, 12:17Hi, my question is, I understand the First Heaven is the sky, same as the firmament, birds and clouds, second is outer space, Mars Saturn and so on, and third is the Throne of God, my ? Is do you have the number of mansions that is in the Third Heaven.
Doug Buckley 18 Oct 2011, 18:46Hi Deb, yes that's right about the three heavens. Jesus talks about mansions in heaven in John 14.2. He doesn't mean literal mansions, but places, or positions of power, which he will give to his elect in the future when they reign over the nations (see Revelation 2.26). Its the same as the inheritance of Colossians 3.24, and the rewards that Jesus describes in Luke 19.17.
Regina Tripp 27 Oct 2011, 13:51Hi Doug
Doug Buckley 27 Oct 2011, 19:05Hi Regina, others have also said that the devil and his angels are in the second heaven and God is in the third heaven. I believe that they are all in the third heaven. Revelation 12 says that there will be a war in heaven and the devil and he angels will be cast to earth. They must be occupying the same third heaven for this to happen.
Johann Blake 04 Dec 2011, 12:14After reading the scripture and original Greek, I personally believe that the three heavens refer to:
Angela 08 Dec 2011, 12:31Thank you so much! I've learned Alot
Albert martins 19 Dec 2011, 22:49Thanks for the eye opener of the three heavens. It has helped me and will help my Bible study class.
ML 03 Jan 2012, 20:34I agreed with Johann Blake on the 3 heavens, but disagreed with the part that human will inherit earth. Revelation 21:1&2, " Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband."
Brian 16 Jan 2012, 14:24http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wivgDck1l88&list=LLhSaikKSR5mHdUxaFDlc8Fg&fe ature=mh_lolz
Elaine 18 Jan 2012, 15:01Are there different levels in the 3rd Heaven for Christians? For instance, a person who has won thousands of souls to Jesus as opposed to a person who just got saved on Saturday night and died Sunday morning...does the new Christian go to a different level than a Christian who has been one for 50 years
Doug Buckley 19 Jan 2012, 12:32Hi Elaine. No, there aren't different levels for Christians in the third heaven. The third heaven is a big place, but Christians are basically all the same in the third heaven. However, at the time of judgment, all Christians will return here to reign with Jesus. At this time, we will be given our eternal rewards, "Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward" (1st Corinthians 3.13-14 KJV bible), (see ch.15 on the right for more on this).
Steve 18 Mar 2012, 16:55Hi doug i wanted to ask why there are three heavense instead of just heaven/hell??
Doug Buckley 21 Mar 2012, 03:39Hi Steve, there are three heavens; the sky, outer space and spiritual heaven. So there is only one spiritual heaven.
Tina 07 Apr 2012, 04:11I hope I can share a little information in regards to the topic of three heavens.
Brandon Garl 08 Apr 2012, 17:37Greetings everyone, I have always had a christian back ground and was saved just last year, i have been really interested in the bible and like to study it. I was listening to a cd recorded by pastor benny henn i think is how you spell it and he mentioned the 3 heavens. i didn't have time to listen to the entire service but as i was reading i saw i believe it was Paul mention the 3rd heaven so i have been researching it and i am confused by the first few verses in genesis, Discussing the firmament. i understand some but verses 6-8 are tricky, i dont understand what the firmament is or how it ties in with water? also another quick question i am reading the NKJV of the bible and in the first verse it says that God created the heavens and the earth. but it says afterwords that the earth was dark and void. i may have missed this in my reading but it says that God was hovering over the waters as well but I didn't read that God created water. Did God Create the water with the earth? and how does this tie in with the firmament. sorry for the long 2 part question and in case i can't get back on right away thank you And God Bless
Doug Buckley 10 Apr 2012, 01:20Hi Brandon. That's a good question. Keep in mind there are countless opinions and interpretations of Genesis 1.
Misty 13 May 2012, 15:41Hello Mr Buckly,
Pat 13 May 2012, 19:31I read about the 3 heavens. and I believe the 3rd heaven is the highest heaven where
John Varghese 21 May 2012, 08:49Thank you for your q&a site want to know more about heavens.Are Kingdom of God and heavens are same or different
Doug Buckley 23 May 2012, 02:39Hi John, that's a bit of a tough question to answer. A kingdom is the domain of a king, so the Kingdom of God is the domain of God. Its a place of light and truth and God's rule as opposed to darkness and lies, and its used in all kinds of contexts and parables. Spiritual heaven, which is the third heaven, is a spiritual place where God and his angels dwell. There are also evil powers and principalities in heaven as well (Ephesians 6.12). So basically heaven and the Kingdom are related, but not the same.
Bob 12 Jun 2012, 16:26The three Heavens are;
Doug Buckley 14 Jun 2012, 03:04Hi Bob, the first two heavens are described in Genesis 1. God creates the heavens and the earth, and then he goes on to create an expanse and names it "heaven". So that's two heavens, sky and outer space. Then Paradise (aka spiritual heaven) is described as being the third heaven by Paul. This is when he says he was taken to the "third heaven" in 2nd Corinthians 12.2-4.
Donnie Pauley 10 Jul 2012, 11:51The first heaven is where the birds fly, the second heaven is where the sun,stars and moon are, and the third heaven is where God sets on the throne.
Sean 14 Jul 2012, 17:40I would like to point out Genesis 1 as supporting information for three heavens. I looked at 1:1 and God created heaven and earth. Then I read 2:1 and the word is now plural "heavens". I have the understanding that the heaven in verse 1:1 refers to the third Heaven in which God was. on day two the first heaven was created called the firmament(the atmosphere) that separated the waters above from the waters below; this was then called heaven verse 8. On day four God created the second Heaven as I understand it which is outer space; this is where the sun, moon and stars were. They too were in a Heaven to provide light for the earth said in verse 1:17. The third heaven was mentioned by Paul which was above all, paradise. Gen 2:1 explains that when everything was finished the heavens and the earth were finished.
Doug Buckley 14 Jul 2012, 22:40Hi Sean, I also believe that Genesis ch.1 supports the idea of three heavens. I would point out though that Genesis 1 in the Hebrew reads heavens, not heaven. I believe that "heaven" is always plural in the in the Old Testament, even when its being used in the singular. Its like our word "pants".
Charlie Ray Riddick 03 Aug 2012, 09:11"Heaven Is For Real"
J'mae 11 Aug 2012, 15:24I have read every question and Doug Buckley has answered them clearly. We must be careful not to get stuck on complicating things that are not the most important part about our walk with Christ. I do not feel that it is so important to study about the three heaven compared to what is required of us in order to have eternal life in paradise - and to me that is the bottom line. I want to be with my Lord and savior Jesus Christ wherever that may be. If you put too many emphasis on how many heavens there are...for some, it will leave an open door to being lured by unbelievers with an answer that suites them best and if you are new Christian you will be deceived and lured into false teaching, which leads to destruction. The devil wants to draw our attention away from God's Word regarding Salvation. Asked questions, but be sure you understand what the level of importance is in regards to salvation 'SALVATION'.
name 28 Aug 2012, 00:42if i die by my own hand will i go to heaven? I have believied my whole life
Doug Buckley 28 Aug 2012, 02:50If your thinking about this, you need to ask yourself as honestly as possible, whether or not God has mistreated you. The devil torments people by making them think they'd be happy if things were different. But that's not where true happiness and peace comes from. It comes from the Lord, and recognizing his blessings.
william lyons 06 Sep 2012, 13:04This is all very good information but I do believe that there is only ONE heaven its is just the three levels of heaven that the bible speaks of one being the atmosphere another being the universe or outter-space and the other being the paradise as the bible says KJV DEU. 10:14
vivian ambrose 23 Sep 2012, 15:12tks for making me to dat there are one heaven but diferent levels of heaven tks.
Renee 15 Oct 2012, 20:51I was always taught and read in the Word that the three heavens are as said on this site, however Pastor John Hagee said that the second heaven is the realm between the universe and the third heaven( Spiritual, the dwelling place of God ) where satan and his armies dwell? I never heard this before, but I have read in the Bible that the angels and demons are always fighting warfare. Please clarify this for me! Thanks and God Bless
Doug Buckley 17 Oct 2012, 02:22Hi Renee, I've come across this theory about the three heavens a few times on the internet. According to this view the third heaven is where God dwells, and the second heaven is where Satan and his angels dwell, and the first heaven is the sky and outer space.
Lemuel Togonon 17 Oct 2012, 06:34Good evening i was wondering the topic about the 3 heaven, i think its more difficult to understand instantly, but i want to share of you a little more revelation, just try to search the word "paradise" in some different bible version to see what is the paradise, in other term the word paradise is use "EDEN" that place is not located at 3rd heaven. The old saints will already died and had a place, in 2 Corinthians 15:51-54 the old saints will alive resurrect first but the bride will change their mortal body to Glorified body, and now, satan has no access in 3rd heaven only the saints and bride will access to enter the 3rd heaven. the 3rd heaven is a throne of God and this is a spiritual dimension. God bless us
Doug Buckley 17 Oct 2012, 12:42Hi Lemuel, in 2nd Corinthians 12.2-4 Paul calls the third heaven paradise, ("paradisos" in the Greek).
Lemuel Togono 17 Oct 2012, 21:00Hi Bro. Doug Buckley its nice to sharing with you, i think we must search and understand what is Paul means about caught up to the third heaven. the sentence showing that in that place going to another place. apostle paul saw in a vision a man caught up to the third heaven. God bless
Doug Buckley 18 Oct 2012, 17:53hi Lemuel, I think I know what you're saying, and its good to hear from you.
Lemuel Togonon 18 Oct 2012, 20:08Hi Bro. Doug
Doug Buckley 21 Oct 2012, 14:28Hi Lemuel, I believe there are two natural heavens, and one spiritual heaven. Both sky and outer space are called heaven, but they are not the same. Notice in Genesis 1 that God initially creates the heavens and the earth. Then he creates an expanse called heaven, between the waters. So we have a lower or first heaven up to the clouds, and then a higher natural heaven above the clouds.
Lemuel Togonon 21 Oct 2012, 20:45Good morning,
Christina Jones 24 Oct 2012, 15:49Good afternoon, men and women of God. After reading this thread, I thought maybe this magnified view of the Universe could give one a VISUAL on 'where' that third Heaven actually may be. God/the Creator of all is AWEsome, blessings.....
Christina Jones 24 Oct 2012, 16:01Good afternoon, men and women of God. After reading this thread, I thought maybe this magnified view of the Universe is a good VISUAL for an idea of 'where' the third heaven may actually be. God/the Creator of all is AWEsome, blessings.....
Griffin Giles 25 Oct 2012, 11:41Good Morning, My wife has recently attended seminar called Be In Health. perhaps you have heard of it. It is from the teachings or Henry Wright. He teaches that the second heaven is filled with demonic spirits. These spirits are constantly attacking and are the root of disease in humans. Can you respond to this for me. Thanks for your time.
Doug Buckley 28 Oct 2012, 02:35Hi Griffin, i haven't heard of this particular seminar. I don't believe that there is second heaven full of demons and evil spirits. The reason is that I believe the second heaven is outer space, which is the stars and galaxies that we see. I do have a bible question about the origin of demons in the bible questions section.
Hope 02 Nov 2012, 21:29Hello my name is Hope and i was reading this and brcause my mom was telling me about this surgeon who said he had went to heaven and saw his sister he never met before because he was adopted and my mom was saying that there is three heavens and i was like yeah i know that but what i didnt know was that there is a heaven where you meet your loved ones which is the first one and there is hati's which is the second one and there is the third one which is paradise now in this she mentioned a scripture from the bible that was saying how paul prayed fo r 22 days and it took an angle 22 days do reach paul because he had to go threw hati's and the other heaven so i found that very intresting so i looked it up and came across this place what do you guys think of this information that i was told tonight. by the im 17 still a virgin and seeking god because i was told that virgins are closer to god and non virgins have to find there way back to god. i also want to know more information about that too so please tell me. thank you.
Doug Buckley 04 Nov 2012, 08:37Hi Hope, I think I heard about the surgeon who says he went to heaven. Based on studying the bible I believe there is only one heaven that some people go to when they die. Its called the third heaven. There is also a hell like place called Hades that nonbelievers go to. It was Daniel who prayed, and it took 21 days for the angel Gabriel to get to him. You can read about this in Daniel 10.
Felix Zara Korai 09 Nov 2012, 04:18Dear writers,
John 03 Dec 2012, 09:01Thanks to the person who posted the explanation of the "three heavens" mentioned only once by Saint Paul; I have no knowledge that other parts of the Bible mention three heavens. It intrigues me that Saint Paul had to clearly count "three heavens". Your explanation (the atmosphere is one, the outer space is second, both being physical; and the third, the Kingdom of God, the spiritual Heaven) makes sense.
Doug Buckley 05 Dec 2012, 15:32hi John, I don't know why Paul decides to speak of three heavens. Alot of Paul's letters pick up from past teachings and sermon's that he gave in person. I think the three heavens is significant because its shows that the bible doesn't teach that there is only one heaven with God and the planets and the clouds altogether.
Derrick Mitchell 16 Dec 2012, 21:51Hi, I am not what you would call a scholar and am in no way trying to prove anyone wrong just wanted to post my opinion, I think that as a saved person dies they are taken to paradise to be with the Lord, but I believe that their soul is simply at rest, Paul tells us not to be ignorant concerning those who are asleep for the dead in Christ will rise first and those that remain will be changed in the moment of a twinkling of an eye. I think that we will all recieve that incorruptable body at the resurrection when Jesus comes to recieve the Church to himself, the third heaven that Paul refers to is a completed heaven meaning the whole bride will be present, the Church of a living God will not be complete till every soul that has been saved by God's grace is there. Thankyou for the great topic and hope it was a help.
clifton 26 Dec 2012, 23:23Paul walks through portals even today. The man Paul WITNESSED being caught up too the third heaven went there in 2003 and since then has been visited by a trembling paul twice to assist the man whose name is niw a number on his head.numbered 33. I TELL YOU THE TRUTH The army is being gathered. Real talk people. Imitate and sew the seeds if lo
audu mihas 02 Jan 2013, 05:52i really thank God,am studying the book of genesis 1 and i saw the word heavens, now am happy i have the knowledge that there are three types of heaven, thank God and may almigthy bless you.
James Maxey 03 Jan 2013, 16:09The first heaven is Yah, his son Yahushua and the messengers are located. The second heaven is where the birds are and the third heaven is where the sun, moon, and the stars located. The only heaven you will see is the birds of the heaven if you fly in a plane. You have been lied to by the men of the cloth starting with the pope. Read John 3:13 and the go and read Acts 2: 29,34 and last but not least read Ecclesiates 9: 5-6. This is what going to happen to all people if they keep lying Revelation 22: 15-21. Do you want your part taken out of the Book of Life? Theodore Roosevelt said that a thorough knowledge of the bible is worth more than a college education. A thorough knowledge of the scripture is worth more than reading a thousand books. James Maxey. Contempt, prior to complete investigation, enslave men to ignorance. Dr. John Whitman Ray. So do homework. Are you afraid of the truth? Can you handle the truth? Ye shall know the truth and the truth will set you free.
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Jonathan Aburto 28 Feb 2013, 14:24I'm confused this spiritual paradise is not heaven.... its a resting place till the second coming of our Savior then when we are judged we are reunited with our bodies or ressurected just like Jesus "handle me for a spirit hath not flesh and bone as you see me have"
True Believer 08 Mar 2013, 14:11The Mormons have this question answered. There are Three Degrees of Glory which corresponds with what Paul taught- a glory of the sun, the moon and the stars. The Stars is the terrestial glory, which is the lowest glory. The moon is the Telestial Glory and the sun is the highest, or Celestial Glory. Hell, as we have been taught is actually a difficult place to end up in. Only the vilest who shed innocent blood and those who deny the Holy Ghost are recipients of this punishment.
J McCoy 29 Mar 2013, 06:41I recently had a loved one pass and it has been difficult. I prayed to God tonight to show me a revelation, it is 3am, I just woke up. I dreamed of a tennis ball which has three parts, one foot is always placed in one section of the ball until you can cross the middle completely and get to the top of the tennis ball or the third heaven. I woke up and immediately googled three heavens and have read your posts. From my dream it seems we are in the lower part of the ball that is our physical life on earth, we pass through a barrier like the line on a tennis ball into heaven which flows eternal like the middle of a tennis ball. Perhaps hell is on the other side of the river of heaven (or the other side of the tennis ball. My interpretation could be off but the image was so strong.
Wesley Mack 08 Apr 2013, 13:03Well then what are the other "two heavens" about then? that passage didn't really say anything about the other heavens, because the sky is not a heaven, outer space is not a heaven. I mean how can it be?? We don't live in the sky, we cant live in outer space. Im not really a big believer of the bible. im not trying to start anything but all the bible appears to be is just a perfect moral story/code of how we should be or how "Jesus and god" want us to be.. out of all the books that the bible is made up of we will never know everything. Nobody will, ever. people may think they do but we all no thats not true. no one can ever meet the expectations of what they want us to be. some may come sorta close but no one is perfect. no one will ever be perfect.
Doug Buckley 08 Apr 2013, 15:45Hi Wesley, the bible uses the word heaven for three distinct places, sky, outer space, and a spiritual heaven. Like "birds of heaven", meaning sky.
wesley mack 09 Apr 2013, 11:39those arent heavens? they cant be. how can they be? we dont live there, its not like there are no rules in the sky, same with the outer space. Your "answer" covers a small portion of my qeustion.. so what about the other stuff i asked about.
Doug Buckley 09 Apr 2013, 16:04The best way I can explain the three heavens is to think about how we use the word heart. Heart can mean someone's feelings and emotions or it can mean the organ that pumps blood in their chest. The word heaven in the bible is used like this, to mean different things, like the sky or the the place where the saints go when they die. What's normal to one group of people might be confusing to another group. I'm not going into your other question(s) because they are off topic, but you can send them by email if you want.
Tammi 12 Apr 2013, 11:23My husband was just approached by a very good Mormon friend who was talking about the 3 levels of heaven. The mormons believe that there are 3 actual levels of heaven - Celestial being the highest, but nowhere in the bible does it talk about this. Or in specific detail about what you have to do to get to these levels. They believe it is all a vision from their modern day prophet John Smith. I believe that if God wanted us to know about the 3 different levels, he would have clearly spelled that out to us and what we are to do to get to those levels. And it would have been in the OT, or somewhere in the Book of Revelation, where heaven's glory is revealed. He told my husband that God sends modern day prophets because the bible's teachings are not complete for the changing society. I just think is a bunch of nonsense, but again...who am I to say because I am not God. What is your take on this. I feel they are taking the scriptures way out of context.
Doug Buckley 12 Apr 2013, 15:09Hi Tammi, they have an extra book that they believe is also scripture, and so they're working with a different set of scriptures than we are. I don't want to go into a discussion about what other groups believe, but stick with what God's Word says about heaven(s). The regular bible quotes itself and proves itself and is a complete testimony.
Carmen Perez 13 Apr 2013, 21:17I think the space-time continuum is like a frame that contains the 2nd and 1st heaven. One day I will step out of time and into eternity (3rd heaven) to be with the Lord!
nelson barbosa 17 Apr 2013, 15:27the tabernacle is the representation of the universe, 3rd heaven, the holy of the holies, where God seat on his throne, the mercy seat with the cherubim's around the throne(revelation 4), the 2nd heaven the representation is the holy place,a transition between mortality and eternity or church, is here in earth but is where God dwell with men, after men go trough brazen altar or sacrifice, (crucification),the bronze laver(baptism)found in galations 3:27, he can go to the holy place, and became a priest 1peter 2:5 (not a high priest the only one to enter the holy of the holies on the day of atonement), and the court represents 1st heaven,or the world, 1st and 2nd heaven are visible, you can see the holy place from the court, that was no wall separating the front part of it, but you could not enter if you were not a priest, and did not offer a sacrifice and did not wash you self, so the world need to wash on Jesus trough baptism, who is the sacrifice and he is the high priest too, like how is described in hebrew's, we can't not see the holy of the holies, theres a curtain covering the holy of the holies, Jesus says: no one come to the father except trough me, he is the high priest, the way to 3rd heaven,outside the tabernacle is death, once u alive u are on 1st heaven, with a choice to go to the 2nd, and meeting God on the 3rd after death, or u can choose not to go to the 2nd heaven, and meet death and lake of fire after the judgment day. this is hebrew theology, remember the bible is a hebrew book, written by hebrew men, with hebrew culture, not a western book or greek book or roman book or babylonic book, until you see the bible with hebrew eyes you will have voids on your understanding.
Bill Clark 20 Apr 2013, 08:05A good way to study heavens vs. heaven in the Greek is to use Young’s Literal Translation. He makes the distinctions throughout the NT. I have not arrived at a conclusion yet but I would like to mention something. Prayerful study of the scriptures takes a focus and exacting precision. Nothing is said in a haphazard manor. I have learned also not to assume anything. While I don’t rely on pagan traditions I also don’t assume that when Paul mentions 3 levels of the heavens there could not be more than 3. I just keep that in mind as I go forward so my assumptions don’t close the door on a possibility.
Doug Buckley 21 Apr 2013, 16:12Hi Bill, that's right, Young's literal is the only translation that I've found that accurately translates heaven vs heavens.
Dwight Tackett 24 Apr 2013, 15:37My belief of heavens is that they are levels of understanding, or levels of understanding that we dwell within. This would put the three levels of understanding in the following sequence. level one is recognizing there is a God or Father, Level two is recognizing there is a promise or Son, and Level three is upon recognizing these two elements we can be lead to all truth and righteousness or Holy Ghost. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. there was only one heaven one understanding (God's) in the beginning. As the earth was created there was a division of understanding Spiritual (or things that cannot be touched with the five senses) and understanding the Physical, things the five senses can interact with (firmament). until We bring the understanding of these two together we cannot hope to touch any part of the Understanding that is God. the more we bring these two together the greater or closer we can walk with God and thus things will start to follow the closer/deeper we get. this is how all of creation is set up, the temple is a good example. outter court yard (God/Father/Law), inner court (Son/Promise/Grace), Holyest of Holies (Holy Ghost/Truth and Righteousness/Salvation)
Raja 15 May 2013, 18:19Hi, dough buckley and twila. the first heaven is were we resides temporarily the second sky is were the fallen angels resides who came to the world and shown them as GODS and had sex with females in the earth and decieved the corrupted the total world and the third sky is were GOD'S angel resides along with JESUS CHRIST. at the time of judgment JESUS CHRIST will destroy all the evils spirits in the first sky and the second sky and take us to the heaven for the eternal life
Bill Clark 30 May 2013, 15:04Hi Raja, My name is Bill. I see you addressed your note to Doug and Twila, I would like to enter this discussion if it is ok with you. I have studied this subject and this is what I’ve found.
Bill Clark 30 May 2013, 15:20P. S. I don't want to mislead anyone. Angels are not demons and demons are not fallen angels. Both, demons (the locust), and angels are being let loose in Rev 9. Now I'm really late for work.
Bill Clark 03 Jun 2013, 10:44I need to correct something I said earlier concerning the expulsion of the Adversary from heaven. The second event is not the beginning of the three and a half years of the great tribulation. It is the beginning of the tribulation.
Anna Moore 14 Jul 2013, 14:32I have been a christian for years. I am 17 and have been in church for most of my life. I go to church regularly and depend on God and the word to keep me sane since my material life is nearly in shambles. I have just learned from my friend that there are three heavens when I had always believed there was one. One heaven that you had to accept Jesus and live for him to get into. I feel like if I didn't know this key point then there must be so much more I haven't learned in my church. I'm afraid my faith is a little shaken by this discovery. Can you please tell me EXACTLY in what book and chapter it describes the three heavens? I'm also a little confused, if the third heaven is the only one with Jesus Christ our Savior then why do the other two matter? Being with God and doing his work is the only thing that should matter so if the other two don't let us be with him then how can they be called Heaven as well?
Doug Buckley 16 Jul 2013, 04:46Hi Anna, you might want to read the short article about the three heavens since that's what its there for. There is only one heaven that believers go to when they die, and the other heavens are the sky and cosmos. Some people here have different opinions.
Bill Clark 19 Jul 2013, 12:01It seems that we are trying to understand the terms used in the Greek language vs our own English language.
Faye Vanasse 30 Nov 2013, 11:01Where does it say in bible getting into heaven is like a camel going threw a needle
Doug Buckley 30 Nov 2013, 15:07Hi Faye, it's Matthew 19.24, I also have a writing on this verse in the bible questions section.
BBible 25 Jan 2014, 23:29While the 3rd heaven is indeed spiritual, it is also a very physical place beyond "outer space" separated by "the sea spoken of in Genesis that God created on the 2nd day. It does not speak of the earthlyseeas here, they were not yet divided. Outer space is the firmament that divides the sea of glass from the waters of Earth. God does not say it was good. http://www.kjvbible.org/firmament.html
Deb 09 Feb 2014, 14:25It was explained on Nov.16, 2009 by Doug Buckley that the 3rd Heaven was the word "shemayim", but it is actually called "shamayim", pronounced shaw-mah'-yim. I didn't read all of the many things written above on this subject, so I don't know if this was corrected later.
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