On a bit of a darker note, and contrary to popular belief, Satan and his angels currently reside somewhere in heaven, not in hell. Despite our inclination to picture them as ruling in the
underworld, this assumption is not supported by the careful analysis of scripture. Satan and his own have certainly fallen spiritually in their opposition to God, who is the truth and the light,
but that's not the same as being cast down from heaven. God allows them to maintain their place in the heavens, until the season of their destruction arrives.
The opening chapter of the book of Job tells us that Satan is basically free to go where he wants, including heaven, "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves
before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up
and down in it" (Job 1.6-7 KJV bible). During the time of the events described in Job, Satan is free to traverse either heaven or earth.
Though Satan is depicted as having free range in the bible, it is also prophesied that he will at some point be banished from heaven, and literally cast to the earth. At this time men will look
upon him, "I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee" (Ezekiel 28.17 KJV bible). Also, Isaiah 14 tells us that after he is cast down, he
will be entombed in Sheol, "They will all respond and say to you, Even you have been made weak as we, You have become like us. Your pomp and the music of your
harps have been brought down to Sheol; Maggots are spread out as your bed beneath you And worms are your covering" (Isaiah 14.11 NASB bible). So as to the whereabouts of Satan and his
angels, the question is whether these events; their expulsion, time on Earth, and imprisonment in the Abyss (a part of Sheol), have come to pass yet?
Revelation depicts these events in detail, and also gives us some frame of reference for when they will happen. Revelation 12 tells us that after Satan is cast out of heaven (along with his
angels), he will persecute the woman for a time, times, and a dividing of time, "And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God,
and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night...And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted
the woman which brought forth the man child. And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and
times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent" (Revelation 12.10,13-14 KJV bible). Time, times, and a dividing of time, is another way of saying 1 year, 2 years, and 1/2 a year,
otherwise known as 3 and 1/2 years. So the devil is cast out sometime during the 1st half of the seven year tribulation period (7/2 = 3.5), because the persecution takes place during the entire
We can also narrow the time down by saying that Satan is cast out at the third trumpet, because he is the bitter star "wormwood" which pollutes a third of the waters, "And the third angel
sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers...And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the
waters became wormwood" (Revelation 8.10-11 KJV bible). This is why he is able to release his locust army from the Abyss at the fifth trump (Revelation 9.1-2), because he is already on
Earth having been cast out at the third. Suffice to say, that unless you adhere to the belief that the tribulation described in the book of Revelation has already come and gone, then Satan and his
angels must still be residing in heaven.
The book of Ephesians informs us on this subject, when it refers to Satan and his angels as dark powers and principalities in the heavenlies, "For our struggle is not against flesh and
blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places" (Ephesians 6.12 NASB bible).
Also in Ephesians, Satan is refered to as the prince of the power of the air, "according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience"
(Ephesians 2.2 KJV bible). Both of these verses suggest that devil and his angels are still in heaven, and the time of their expulsion has not yet arrived.
Several verses in the New Testament might seem to contradict the idea that Satan and his angels are in heaven, and I will briefly discuss them. Jesus says in Luke 10.18, "I beheld Satan
as lightning fall from heaven" (Luke 10.18 KJV bible). This is a spiritual description of the breaking of Satan's power over those people who had received the message of Jesus' apostles,
which is the subject of Luke 10. Further, Luke 10 is pre-crucifixion, but we know from Revelation 12 that the devil and his angels are defeated in heaven by the blood of the Lamb, "And they
overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death" (Revelation 12.11 KJV bible). Thus, the war in heaven along with
Satan's expulsion are post-crucifixion, and could not have been occurring during the time of Luke 10.
Two more seemingly contradictory verses come to us from Revelation. First, "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a
dragon" (Revelation 13.11 KJV bible). This is undoubtedly Satan, but then why does it describe him as coming up out of the earth, if in reality he will be cast down from heaven? The answer
is because it is him in his role as the false prophet or deceiver of nations. He is cast down as the accuser of our brethren (Revelation 12.10), but he rises up as the false prophet. The false
prophet will superficially appear like the Lamb or Messiah, but instead of the truth, he will teach the doctrine of the dragon (Revelation 13.11). Lastly, if Satan is in heaven, why is he
described as the king of the Abyss in Revelation 9, "They have as king over them, the angel of the abyss; his name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in the Greek he has the name Apollyon"
(Revelation 9.11 NASB bible). The simple answer is that his evil spirit rules in the Abyss, even though he is not down there yet. The Abyss is part of Satan's spiritual dominion, but he is
not yet captive to it.
I should also point out that not all of the fallen angels are in heaven. Recall, that both Jude 6 and 2nd Peter 2.4 speak of those angels who left their 1st habitation, and are now bound in
Tartarus (a part of Hades), "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under
darkness unto the judgment of the great day" (Jude 6 KJV bible). They are currently imprisoned in Tartarus, awaiting the great day of judgment (see also Genesis 6.4).
cody sellers 01 Feb 2010, 10:15
Wow did not know that thanks and can u send me a teaching's on what caused
satan to be judged by god in the frist place? ive always wondered but never
knew where to look...why does god judge satan?
Doug Buckley 01 Feb 2010, 20:49
Hi Cody, good to hear from you,
I'll answer your question about Satan right here. God and Satan became
enemies when Satan turned against God. This happened even before Adam and
Eve. Two passages that relate to Satan's defiance of God are Isaiah 14 and
Ezekiel 28. They say in part,
"Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy
wisdom by reason of thy brightness..." (Ezekiel 28.17 KJV bible), "For thou
hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne
above the stars of God...I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I
will be like the most High" (Isaiah 14.13-14 KJV bible).
Mankind and the angels are all created in the image and likeness of God.
However, unlike God, we are not inherently righteous. Like trying to
balance a pencil on its tip, some souls will fall toward evil and darkness,
and some will love and serve God. Even as good as Satan had it in heaven,
he believed that he was something special. It wasn't enough to serve God,
but Satan wanted to be God, and so he led a coup against God that will
ultimately end in the perdition of him and followers.
jackie chavez 13 May 2010, 02:22
i disagree, satan did rebel, but the spirit of sin, or seed had already
corrupted mankind, and eventually led to Gods people rejecting Him, which
gave birth to a false church, the roman catholic church, who persecuted
anyone who wanted to learn the scriptures on their own, the catholic church
is the mother of harlots that the nations become drunk with her wine, when
napoleaon (france) destroyed the reign of the pope and killed him, he
suffered the deadly wound, spoken of, and later that wound is healed when
church and state unite and make everyone serve according to the way the
church dictates, it's going on now, all the talks of a one world religion,
that is the revived roman catholic church, read up on it online, that is
the woman that sits on 7 mountains or hills, it's rome, look it up, that is
the mother of harlots and gives birth to the beast u.s.a.(many waters means
many nations and tongues) this is the daughter of the beast, that no one
can fight against, the scriptures are symbolic, Jesus meant it to be this
way, so the ones who really want to know, will search scripture, to find
truth, the world events line up with the symbolic language, look at the
depictions, Jesus was even asked why He spoke in illustrations to the
people, and He told His disciples that His sheep will hear His voice, but
to the world it would not make sense. the beast is not satan, it is the
false church guided by satan . satan is the prince of the air and has
powers to decieve through organizations like the catholic church, he set it
up, they even bear the number 666, it is the roman numerals on the popes
garment, it adds up to 666, it also says the pope is Gods representative on
earth or in Gods place, that is a blasphemy, that is the church you need
to read history on, it will open your eyes on how deceptive and sneaky the
devil has been all these years, he's been working through that church and
it is coming into power again as we speak.the u.s and all the christyan
churches are partnering with the pope to make a one world religion and when
it comes into play very shortly, anyone who resists will be killed just
like they did back then. they think they are doing godservice but are
playing right into the enemies hands. they are thoroughly decieved.
Doug Buckley 13 May 2010, 03:57
Satan stood in opposition to God in the garden, because he tempted Adam and
Eve to disobey God's commandment. Yet according to Ezekiel 28, Satan was
not created evil. Thus, the garden and subsequent corruption of mankind
happened after Satan had rebelled.
Second, I am familiar with, and also reject the theory that the pope and
the Catholic Church are any of the beasts (there are more than one) of
Revelation. Revelation clearly describes Satan being cast down from heaven
(Revelation 12.12), and releasing his locust army (Revelation 9.1). We also
see the arrival of a false prophet with the voice of Satan, who performs
great miracles in order to deceive the entire world (Revelation 13.11-14).
If the pope declares himself to be God (see 2nd Thessalonians 2.4), and
causes fire to come down from heaven, I'll reconsider.
jeffrey 11 Aug 2010, 06:40
hi jackie and doug,
The good thing is that we are aware that some type of false teaching will
arise. We are ready for anything that comes up. We belong to the Lord and
another voice we will not follow! Im very happy to find his webisite is
wonderful! God bless you bye
Doug Buckley 14 Aug 2010, 18:31
Hi Jeffrey, it's great to hear from you, (been away from my PC for a few
days). I'm blessed that the website is of service to you and other
believers. The Word prepares us for Satan's deception, and makes us like
faithful watchmen awaiting our Lord's return. God bless.
Jermaine 05 Dec 2010, 13:15
THE BIBLE NEVER CALLS SATAN A ANGEL OR THAT HE REBELLED AGAINST GOD. JESUS
SAYS HE WAS A MURDERER AND A LIAR FROM HIS BEGINNING JOHN 8:44. SO HIS EVIL
SPIRITS WOULD BE ALSO THE FALL OF SATAN IS A MYTH BY INCORRECTLY APPLYING
EZEKIAL 28 CHAPTER AND ISAIAH 14 CHAPTER.WHICH SPEAKS OF THE KING OF TYRE
AND BABYLON. HE IS STILL IN HEAVEN ACCUSING THE SAINTS DAY AND NIGHT
REVELATION CHAPTER 12 SO HE WAS CREATED EVIL TO OPPOSE GODS PLAIN TO TEMPT
AND ACCUSE. REVELATION SAYS MICHAEL ACTUALLY FIGHTS SATAN FIRST HE SAYS
SATAN FIGHTS BACK A DEFENSIVE MOVE. AND WHY IN THE BOOK OF JOB DID HE ASK
PERMISSION FROM GOD TO TEMPT JOB IF HE WAS IN STATE OF REBELLION.
REVELATION SAYS WHEN HE IS KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN HE CANT RETURN.MY POINT IS
THERE NOT ANGELS OR SONS OF GOD. GOD CREATED EVIL JUST AS HE DID GOOD HE IS
THE GOD OF ALL HE DOSNT TEMPT BUT GIVES YOU A CHOOSE.
Doug Buckley 05 Dec 2010, 13:17
Hi Jermaine, I agree that Satan is still in heaven at this point, however,
I don't agree that God made him evil. John 8.44 says Satan was a liar from
the beginning, referring to the garden. Also Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 are
clearly talking about Satan, and use the king of Babylon and Tyre as names
for him. Ezekiel 28.14 even says he is a cherub. Job 1.10 says that God had
put a hedge of protection around Job. Lastly, Revelation 20.10 says that
God will cast the devil into the Lake of Fire.
Satan serves himself and God hasn't destroyed him yet, because God has a
purpose for him in the world at this time. However just because God
tolerates, or at times uses evil to test and to bring about good (as in the
crucifixion), does not mean that God makes individuals do evil things, or
that they are serving him. Just like in the parable of the wheat and the
tares, God allows the tares to stay in the field until the time of
Jermaine 05 Dec 2010, 13:21
HI DOUG EZEKIAL 28 AND ISAIAH 14 IS A TAUNT TO TWO EARTHLY KINGS IT SAYS
ITS TALKING ABOUT MEN BUILDING TRADE,DYING,.PEOPLE ACTUALLY SEEING HIS
DOWNFALL.SO ISAIAH AND EZEKIAL ARE NOT CLEARLY TALKING ABOUT SATAN.ISAIAH
14 CHAPTER IS USING POETICS TO MOCK THE KING OF BABYLON AND THE SAME FOR
EZEKIAL 28 AND IF SATAN IS IN HEAVEN WHY WOULD HE NEED TO ASCEND TO HEAVEN.
SATAN AND THE ANGELS HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF GOD THEN WE DO. SO WHAT
WOULD POSSESS HIM TO CHALLENGE GOD. IT DOSNT MAKE SENSE TO REBELL AND
OPENLY CHALLENGE GOD THEN ASK PERMMISSON AT ANOTHER TIME. PLUS READ ISAIAH
CHAPTER 45 VERSE 7 KING JAMES VERSION.WERE GOD DIRECTLY SAYS HE CREATED
EVIL. GENESIS NEVER MENTIONS SATAN IF HE WAS THE CHERUB IN THE GARDEN THEN
HOW WAS HE THERE TEMPTING AND MISGUIDING EVE THAT CONTRIDICS YOUR ARGUMENT
ANCIENT KINGS WERE NOTORIOUS FOR PROCLAIMING GODHOOD THATS A FALSE DOCTRINE
FORMULATED BY EARLY BIBLE COMMENTATORS NOT BIBLE WRITERS AROUND 300 YEARS
AFTER THE BIRTH OF YAHSHUA MOST PEOPLE GET THERE BELIEFS OF SATAN ,HELL
FROM JOHN MILTON PARADISE LOST AND DANTES INFERNO AND GREEK MYTH OF HADES.
THE REBELLION OF SATAN IS A TOTAL MYTH WITH NO BIBLICAL BASIS .SATAN IS
NEVER CALLED THE LUCIFER OR THE MORNINGSTAR ANY WHERE ELSE IN THE BIBLE.
THE BIBLE SAYS GOD CUTSOFF EVILDOERS PSALMS 37:9-11 SO I ASK AGAIN HOW
COULD HE PRESENT HIMSELF [SATAN] TO GOD WITH THE SONS OF GOD IN JOB 2 TIMES
AND EVERY DAY UNTIL REVELATION IF SATAN WASNT DOING WHAT HE WAS CREATED TO
DO.THE BIBLE SAYS GOD DIDNT EVEN SPARE THE ANGELS 2 PETER 2:4 ARE WHEN
YASHUA TOOK ON THE SINS OF THE WORLD MATTHEW 27: 45 WHO HADNT SINNED BUT
TOOK ON SIN FOR THE REST OF THE WORLD ALSO ADAM AND EVE WERE ALSO CUTOFF
FOR SINNING AGAINST GOD ALSO MANY TIMES THE NATION OF ISRAEL SO THESE ARE
CLEAR EXAMPLES OF SIN SEPERATING GOD FROM HIS CREATION.SO SATAN WOULD BE
THE ONLY BEING IN CREATION WHO CAN GO BEFORE ALMIGHTY GOD AS A SINNER. THE
BIBLE SPEAKS OF A GREAT FALLEN AWAY 1 TIMOTHY 4:1-4,ACTS 20:28-31, MATTHEW
24:10-32. READ THE BIBLE USE IT TO LEARN THE WILL OF GOD AND NOT THE FALSE
DOCTRINES OF MEN . BECAUSE HOW CAN YOU KNOW A FALSE PROPHET WITHOUT THE
BIBLE.NEARLY ALL DENOMINATIONS ARE POLLUTED WITH FALSE DOCTRINES
NON-BIBLICAL.MAY GOD BLESS YOU.
Jermaine 05 Dec 2010, 13:24
ALSO DOUG HE IS NEVER CALLED A ANGEL IN THE BIBLE ONLY 2 CORINTHIANS
11:13-15 SAYS HE MASQUERADES AS AN ANGEL A CLEAR DECEPTION DISGUISE.
Doug Buckley 05 Dec 2010, 13:26
Jermaine, first of all you need to turn off your caps lock because it is
annoying. Second, the notion that God and Satan are friends is completely
unbiblical, and the product of liberal theology.
In Genesis 3.14-15, God curses the serpent (a name for Satan), saying he
will crawl on his belly the days of his life, and have his head bruised or
wounded. "All the days of his life" means that his life will not go on
forever. Why would God curse and wound one who serves him? If Satan was on
God's team then why would he have to be forcibly kicked out of heaven, and
why wouldn't God let him back in or help him? Revelation 12.12 even says
Satan will be angry after he is kicked out, because he has a short time,
referring to the future bruising of the head. Isaiah 27.1 also tells us
that the Lord will slay the serpent. Revelation 20.10 says the devil will
be cast into the Lake of Fire. Is that how God treats his servants?
Satan has many names in the Old Testament. king of Babylon and king of Tyre
are two them. The historical Cyrus never fulfilled Isaiah 13 and 14. The
literal king of Tyre was not a covering cherub which is a reference to the
angelic beings depicted upon the ark. When was the literal king of Tyre on
the holy mountain of God and when did God kill him with fire (Ezekiel
28.14-18)? Satan is among the other sons of God in Job 1, indicating he is
an angelic being of some kind.
As far as Isaiah 45.7, the Hebrew word used there (rawaw) is a very broad
term that can mean affliction distress or trouble, which God can raise up,
but he doesn't make people do evil. God can do both good and evil in the
sense of help or harm, as when he raised up the king of Babylon against
Israel, but that doesn't mean they are on his team. God calls Babylon "his
army" in Joel, because he raised them up, but they are not righteous or
holy. God simply empowered them for his purposes. - God bless
Jermaine 05 Dec 2010, 13:29
doug first of all i never said god and satan were friends the word satan
means adversary so basically your putting words in my mouth. let me repeat
that i never said god was satans friend.he is called serpent,
accuser,devil,dragon, evilone sense you cant use the word of god to
dispprove any of my statement then you go and say something i didnt say i
never said he served god thats why he calls him adversary because he
opposes his works just like you falsley assuming and reading into ezekial
28 .when the scriptures says he is a man will die before his enemies as a
man built up wealth, mocks him for thinking he is a god, will be killed by
men who god puts against him for that purpose, he is not as wise as daniel
a man so satan by your interpritation set a trade route by violence.to get
rich has lesser knowlege then a man. does that sound like a spirit being or
a man, yes its a man. my theology is not liberal or conservative it comes
from the true word of god . and as far as he being in heaven if he got
kicked out in ezekial and isaiah then how did he stay in heaven for
thousands of years when those scriptures say he was thrown down after he
sinned which cuts you off from god satan is called a murder,liar but is
never called a sinner because he does what he was created to do, not a
servant an opposing force an enemy of god and his children. i also never
said satan would never die. for a person who started a web site you really
need to take a course on reading comprehension.what part of adversary dont
you understand.cyrus wasnt the king of tyre god used cyrus to help rebuild
the hebrew temple also freed the hebrews he was the king of persia he wasnt
called the king of tyre wrong king and he assisted the hebrews with there
return to israel.nor does the bible say satan was on the holy mountain of
god.lament,taunt.again using poetics. job 1 says the sons of god presented
them self and satan also came never calling him a angel and distinguishing
satan from them.yahshua says even the devil masquerades as an angel of
light. the word is translated as evil. another instance where you put words
in my mouth i didnt say he makes his creation do evil the bible says he
created the choose.god also used pharoah by harding his heart or sent king
saul a evil spirit 1 samuel 16:14 i never said satan was on god team he
uses him to fulfill his plan you cant dispute the true word of god so you
try to falsley accuse me of aligning satan with god.words not found in my
post i never said satan was holy you dont have the holy spirit to help
interpret the word of god thats why you are caughtup in false doctrines of
devils and also why would god help someone who by your reasoning rebelled
oppose kill destroy for thousands of years and had plenty time to repent
and the word says he never repents who has no truth in him.who from the
beginning was a murder and liar.you dont know the true word you didnt come
close to disputing any of claims.
doug you really know nothing about the bible hell doesnt exist until just
before the white throne judgment in revelation chapter 20 people will be
thrown in after i guess you also believe satan has a triton with two horns
another example of you being misguided.people go to sheol or hades land or
place of the dead. just another false prophet peddling wares the great
fallen away gets proven everyday.let me give you a short list of false
doctrines trinity doctrine,rapture,purgatory, worship of
mary,evolution,sinners prayer,speaking of tongues in gibberiss,praying to
jesus, binding of evil spirits,priest and nun celibacy,celebrating
christmas and easter or ishtar. that lucifer and satan are the same. and
there are many more that allude you.because its no surprise you cant back
any of your false doctrines with the bible you say my theology is flawed
but were is your biblical bases you have none my words cant be disclaimed
because they come from the true word of god where do yours from greek and
roman mythology doctrines of men and devils.most of your comments dont come
from the bible.
Doug Buckley 05 Dec 2010, 13:30
Well, it looks like your something of a poor sport, who can't handle a
mature biblical discusssion. Then when your false teachings are exposed you
try to back track and resort to ad hominem attacks on me. You accuse me of
putting words in your mouth, but then say that I allude to some list of
doctrines that you don't like. Please go away.
John 05 Dec 2010, 13:33
Jermaine I find your attitude to be quite poor and it is you who does not
demonstrate the fruit of the holy spirit, in fact I find your attitude very
familiar to others who deny the devil as an angel maybe there is a spirit
Lynda 05 Dec 2010, 13:39
Lynda from rual Maine 12-4-10
I have been in NY city and Fort Dix army/navy base for a week. I had not
been out of Maine for 4 years. Had a nice Thanksgiving with family. First
let me greet all of you. Doug you got me mixed up with jackie last month in
one of your e-mails. I finally figured it out. No big problem.
Wow' sounds like jermaine has hadsome bad experiences with Christianity, he
is angry. If he is really searching for the truth he will find it. I have
been a Christian for many years, and you never stop growing and learning.
It truley is line by line, precept by precept, here a little and there a
little.All this along with ones own physical and psychological experiences.
When I was in my 20's, I thought I could get to God through my intellect
alone. Not true. Although you do not have to throw your brains out of
thewindow when you are converted, as some think.
My comment concerning demons and satan, I have benn a Christian over 30
years now. I accepted the basic doctrines when I was 10 years old. Being
raised in a Baptise church. When I went to college I began to question
everything I learned in Sunday school. One of my professors tried to
educate God out of me. But that's another story.I had to prove it all to
myself. I have been to many churchs and tried to understand many
denominations. I knew there was more to God's word. Couldn't shake it.
After much confusion I found the answers I was looking for. When I started
to read and study the word of God myself,and of course praying and asking
for help from God. I have had a few experience with demons, or spirits with
no bodies. It was scrary. I will write about it fi anybody is interested.
My bible tells me:
1. Satan is a created being.
2. He is the most beautiful being God ever created.
3. He is full of all knowledge.
4. He was in charge of the administration of God'skingdom.
5. He at some point and time was over come with pride.
6. He lost his position and became absolutely evil.
7. Satan caused a war in heaven.
8. He caused a third of God's children to follow him.
9. Satan is the father of lies, murder, and disobedence.
10. He is jealous of God, He wants to be worshipped as God.
11. Satan uses deception more than anything else.
12. Satan loves the trick that he does not exist.
I am sure some of you canadd to the list.This is not in the bible, but I
believe satan loves to get people focused on him. I once attended a church
that preached more about satan than God.It was the devil this, and the
devil that.Thepastor had the people so afraid. But I thought to myself this
is not right. God has the power. Jermaine is right about myths regarding
satan. Dante did a lot to give rise to a physical hell, and we can not
forget how the Universal church used the devil to control the peasants
during the middle ages.
I've said enough, I hope I did not degress to much, I went off topic I
know.I just want our little group to get to know me. Let me also say I am
not a joiner. Doug caught my eye because it is evident he has studied in
debt. He has also prayed. He is serious.I like that we can learn from each
other. We can dicuss and appreciate where people are in there walk. Right?
Gotta go feed thoes chickens and bring in more fire wood.( Not kidding
guys.) God Bless. Lynda
Doug Buckley 05 Dec 2010, 13:41
Hi Lynda, I moved some posts around here. I agree with alot of what you're
saying here about Satan and thank you for contributing.
Seth 29 Dec 2010, 08:03
Jermaine you said "Satan and angels have a better understanding of God than
we do", well I dont know much about theology, but as a born again
christian, I think thats erroneous. If he has a better understanding of God
than we then He should have know that, though he was Gods Archangel & vice
regent, if he tried to exalt himself to be against God he would utterly
lose and face the tormenting consequences , so he tried and lost, which
therefore means his knowledge of God, let alone the angels', is way too
limited and is not 'better than ours' of God as sons of God and he would
know by now that as he tries to deceive and afflict us Chritians, it would
only make us more glorious and victorious, because the bible says "For our
light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more
exceeding and eternal weight of glory;" (2 Cor. 4:17). And also that, what
he thinks would be insufferable and unbearable affliction, we would only
call 'light affliction'. I mean do you know what paul went through? And he
calls all that light affliction, and that its for a moment. One other
thing, if angels know God better that we, then why are they at the service
of men. Man is in the class of God(which is higher than angels). Doug, when
you say Devil is in heaven, is it the third, second or first heaven? God
bless you Doug!
Doug Buckley 30 Dec 2010, 05:07
Hi Seth, it would be the third heaven which is spiritual heaven. Satan
dwells in another part of it though, away from God. God bless.
jackie 30 Dec 2010, 22:01
satan was a;ready a serpent when he approached Eve in the garden, what he
was after was the stopping of the birth of Christ Jesus,, he was there
during the planning of the world and what was going to be and became
jealous, because we were to become like God, become His sons,heirs.. satan
had already rebelled, up until then, man had not sinned, and "Lynda", Jesus
took the form of a man and made Himself lower than the angels, they are of
a different order and not human in any way shape or form, they were
designed to do what they do, deliver messages to men, those who will become
heirs to the kingdom, the Bible says all this, but once we have overcome
the din and evil in our lives, we inherit the kingdom, through salvation,
believing in Jesus sacrifice, those who do not believe He actually died for
us, will be consumed, put to death. I know doug doesn't believe in literal
hell, but I do, cause everything else He has said was delivered to the last
word. but then again, we are both studied in the word and are searching
together, man was the one and only creation that was made in His image,
possessing all the attributes of God, but free will gve us the ability to
choose the path we want to take. angel are a different type of being and
fearsome looking, I saw a bad one one time and he was huge and scary, my
breath left me, so they are not like us, they materialize and take vrious
Manny 19 Mar 2011, 15:42
Wow! I sadly understand how it's going to be a easy task for satan to
deceive the world when he shows up soon. I certantly understand this one
thing,and I pray there is still brothers and sisters out there that also
get it! Wich I do! that long before the garden of eden and even before we
were made flesh, that GOD delt with satan revolting against him in the
(first earth age*), chronologically transpiring between (Genesis 1:1 and
1:2), and led one third of God's children to fight against God and His
Angels (Rev. 12:3+4). God of course won, and destroyed that first earth
age. Who knows how long ago? but this destruction is written of in (2nd
Pet. 3:5-7) and for an even more clear view do a study in (Jerem. 4:23-27).
This destruction by water should not be confused with Noah's flood (notice
in (Jerem. 4:25) it reads: "there was no man"). But we all know that Noah
and his family survived Noah's flood. Now to those of you that do not
believe satan is coming back to this earth FIRST,(to decieve) prior to the
return of the "true Messiah Jesus Christ" you need to study and ask the
LORD for wisdom cause we all need it.
and God bless!
Doug Buckley 20 Mar 2011, 11:47
Hey Manny, good to hear from you. I don't know if I have it all figured out
with respect to the age of the earth and dinosaurs and everything else. I
do know that Satan turned against God took alot of souls with him before
Adam and Eve. Jesus says to the religious hypocrites "I speak that which I
have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your
father" (John 8.38 KJV bible). If you read my question about Matthew 11.12
in the bible questions section, the hypocrites sought to sit in the place
of Christ and steal his Kingdom, just like their spiritual father Satan did
when he rebelled against God.
Jan Worthen 18 May 2011, 18:23
Ok...But as far as the Devil still in Heaven? As Lucifer he was kicked out
of Heaven. Ephesians says his domain is on the earth, "He walks to and fro
seeking whom he can devour." Deut 32:22 "For a fire is kindled in My anger,
and shall burn unto the lowest Hell, and shall consume the Earth with her
increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains." (Wickedness
brings eternal judgment.) II Sam. "The sorrows of Hell compassed me"..Ps
9:17, "wicked turned into Hell." Ezekiel 31:15 "Thus the Lord GOD; ;In the
day when he went down to the grave I caused a mourning; I covered the deep
for him, and I restrained the floods thereof, and the great waters were
stayed; " Expositors Study Bible says this comes from the word "Sheol"
..the place of departed spirits who are in Hell, and have full
consciousness, Jesus said so Luke 16:19-31." So there is disagreement in
what my understanding is.. For in Job 1 We see that Satan has access to the
throne of God , and God "allows" him to test us, yet hell is a real place
now according to other scriptures which are numerous. Yet too, that
Great White Judgment Seat of God...will judge the unGodly, and
evil. I was taught there is no such thing as purgatory either...So this
whole thing is pretty confusing. One says one thing, another another
thing..For we know Jesus went down to Hell also. When we as saved
Christians die our souls go to Heaven (3)..but the unsaved I was taught
Hell...So where does that put the Great White Throne Judgement...if no
purgatory? I think I'm more confused than ever.
Doug Buckley 18 May 2011, 18:32
Hi Jan, moved your question over here. Basically the traditional view of
Satan dwelling in hell and punishing the wicked is incorrect. Satan has a
place of authority and power in the world, especially among nonbelievers.
Satan is basically free at this time, but he will be imprisoned and
destroyed in the future.
As to your second question, there are two hells in the bible (see ch.2).
The first hell is called Sheol in the OT and Hades in the NT. Check out the
word "hell" in your Strong's concordance. Hades is where nonbelievers go.
On Judgment Day, nonbelievers will be judged by their works and go on to
either eternal life or eternal damnation in the second hell. The second
hell is called the Lake of Fire (see Revelation 20).
jackie chavez 19 May 2011, 00:01
doug, you say the devil resides somewhere in heaven, but when Jesus was
crucified, the Bible says He went into the heart of the earth for 3 days
and preached to the prisoners, who are these prisoners there must be some
inprisoned people down there somewhere, being reserved, the Bible says that
the angels that sinned and forsook there natural dwelling place, were put
under chains and imprisoned in tartarus, a dark abyss./ scientists are
saying that the earth is like a living organism, and in Genesis, God told
cain that Ables blood cried out unto Him from the ground, that sure does
describe that we go into the center of the earth, it swallows us up, we are
from the earth and go back to it, unless we are redeemed, how did satan get
access to earth unless God sent him here, being cast down to earth, I
believe he has been alienated from heaven (the 1st heaven )
since he showed up here, and goes back and forth to accuse us before The
Father, so that he won't look so bad. I believe he was a beautiful angel at
one time, but alienation from God's light has changed the way he looks and
his countenance. because of sin the earth has become corrupt and Jesus
blood dripping on the earth cleansed it and now the imprisoned angels are
roaming around in the air, using telepathy to communicate with wizards and
psychics, for deception of the people. what's your take on this?
Doug Buckley 19 May 2011, 18:44
The angels imprisoned in Tartarus are the fallen angels of Genesis 6.4 who
Peter describes as leaving their first habitation. Satan is fallen in a
moral sense, but did not live on earth before the flood. So there are
fallen angels that are still in heaven like Satan, and ones that are
jackie 21 Jun 2011, 01:26
Jesus had not yet ascended, and went into the heart of the earth to preach
to the prisoners, who are the prisoners in the earth? the earth is earth,
so there is obviously a place there, if not why confuse us by saying earth?
He named the planet earth, so it can't be anywhere else, and satan goes
walking up and down in the earth, he was in the garden, wasn't he the one
God put in charge of the tree of good and evil, but while God was away, he
became inflamed with the idea of being served and corrupted the beings
there at that time? there war broke out in heaven and there was no longer
found a place for satan and he was cast down to the earth where he has a
short time, the Lord says woe to the earth for he has come down as a
roaring lion to devour, now this says he was cast down, so he was in heaven
at the time when he was cast down, yet he was in the garden in the
beginning, how could that be? was he going back and forth all this time?
and then finally get kicked out toward the end? it's kinda confusing.
Doug Buckley 22 Jun 2011, 17:46
Hi Jackie, I'm not really sure, but I know that Satan gets cast out of
heaven during the tribulation and this is why it says he persecutes the
woman for 3 and a half years. Satan would rather stay in heaven and
continue being the king of the world (nonbelievers), but he will be cast to
jackie chavez 22 Jun 2011, 22:45
ok, say that it is the 3 1/2 years, when he is cast down, but that still
doesn't explain why Jesus went into the earth to preach to the prisoners,
He actually freed them, al the ones existing from adam until then, because
their was no redemption yet since Jesus still hadn't been crucified. i
believe these are the ones sleeping in the belief of the future Christ to
come, also in the story above, you have a scripture that says satan was
cast to the ground and they say to him you have become weak as us, maggots
being your bed and worms as a covering, this sounds like hell to me cause
that is how a dead body gets under the ground, and the people on earth
aren't weak, but someone already in the pit, hell, are weak because they
can't get out of there no matter what they do, the big clue for me is the
fact tat Jesus went down into the heart of the earth, and preached to the
prisoners, and many that were dead got up and came out of their graves and
started walking around and were seen by their loved ones that were alive,
then they vanished as well when Jesus left cause you no longer hear about
them. somehow their spirits were still here somewhere, if they were not in
the heart of the earth then why go there to preach, do you follow me? cause
it doesn't make sense any other way. jackie
Sally Nisley 29 Sep 2011, 10:08
I am trying to understanding the "when" of Ezekiel 28 when God said that He
cast Satan profane from the mountain of God. Was that right after the
completion of creation and before the fall of man? Then when does
Revelation 12:3 and 9 take place. I thought that was during the 7th
Trumpet judgment. I want to understand if these are 2 different events.
Doug Buckley 30 Sep 2011, 01:45
Hi Sally, your question doesn't have an easy answer, because there aren't
alot of scriptures that talk about what was before the garden. If we accept
that Ezekiel 28 is talking about Satan, then it tells us that he was
created good, and went bad. However in the garden Satan is working against
God, by using his lies to drive a wedge between man and God. So Satan must
have turned evil before the garden. I believe Satan and his angels are part
of a first heavenly order that rebelled against God before the creation of
I don't know that Revelation 12.3 refers to a specific time, but the red
dragon is a symbol of Satan's historical power over the nations. Revelation
12.9 will happen in the tribulation, when Satan will have a short time to
deceive the nations into worshipping him.
Alejandro Dawkins 18 Oct 2011, 18:18
Dear Mr. Doug Buckley:
Upon reading your answers on this page, I have learned a lot from the
commentary and answers, yet I will like to ask a question.
The Bible says that Gof kicked satan out of Heaven and he fell to earth.
Could you please explain, how it is he's still in heaven? Which part of the
Bible I could find the answer? I will appreciate you sending this answer to
my e-mail or post it also on this page.
Doug Buckley 18 Oct 2011, 18:31
Hi Alejandro, I moved your question here since your question is about Satan
being cast from heaven. The two main places where it talks about the Satan
being cast from heaven are Revelation 12, and Isaiah 14. Revelation
12.10-17 tells us that after Satan is cast from heaven he will persecute
the woman for 3.5 years. So he is cast down during the tribulation period,
right before Jesus returns. People will know he's here because he will
deceive the whole world into worshipping him (see Revelation 13).
Joni 31 Oct 2011, 12:26
Very interesting observations reading this, and I do agree that satan can
go in and out of heaven, but in the words of my friend and my daughter,
"Why would anyone want to go to Heaven if satan was there? Hmmmmmmmmmm? I
get more confused by the minute.
Doug Buckley 01 Nov 2011, 21:10
Its seems strange, but maybe it's better to think of heaven as being like
Washington DC, where there is a struggle for power going on.
Joni 02 Nov 2011, 18:20
Haha, but I don't want to think of Heaven as Washington, DC. Can you give
me a better visual, although that was very creative. I don't want to go
to Washington DC when I die, nor do I want to go where satan resides.
However, if God is there, then I guess it's all right.
david 20 Nov 2011, 05:10
Hi guys. I’m David and would like to let you know that satan and his
angels(fallen) have already been cast down into earth. If Satan or the
antichist is aware of what he is it makes sense that his angels will as
well. They come through people and these people are fully aware of it. I
know as I’ve had first hand experience with it. Jesus laid the key of
david on my shoulder (rev 3:7 and isaiah 22:22) A great awakening is coming
soon and all God’s children will be awoken spiritually and become aware
of this fact.
Christoper 04 Dec 2011, 13:29
I really enjoyed reading these posts but if you research the history of
the Kingdom of Tyre and read what happened to it, it is the same thing
prophesied in Ezekiel. Jesus said he was a murderer from the beginning.
That word beginning in the greek is arche which means beginning,first
estate,first power,first place or rank. In Isa 45:7 the Lord I form light
and create darkness, I make peace and create evil:I the Lord do these
things. I agree with you that Satan hasn't be cast out of Heaven yet, that
happens in Revelation 12. but scripture does not agree with Satan being a
fallen angel,a psalmist like some say.So the Lord created Satan to do
exactly what he is doing. In Ephesians 3:8-11 it talks about God's eternal
purpose. So he made Satan to be part of it like to cause adam and eve to
sin and judas to betray Christ. Satan wasn't made to be good, he was
created to do exactly what he is doing. If we believe that God is all in
all and in control of everything then to believe he created a being like
Satan and intended for him to be good and then Satan *fell* or whatever you
want to call it then God isn't in control of anything and he dropped the
ball when he made Satan. God doesn't make mistakes, everyhting is in his
control and his will. Thanks
Doug Buckley 04 Dec 2011, 15:26
Hi Christopher, Satan's origins have already been discussed here, but let's
clear up a couple things. First, Isaiah 45.7 does not say that God creates
sin. It says he creates "ra'a" which means evil, often in the sense of
trouble and calamity (see my bible question on Isaiah 45.7).
Also Ezekiel 28.12-19 is talking about Satan, not the king of Tyre. The
prince of Tyre means the literal king of Tyre (28.1-11). But when it
switches to the king of Tyre at v. 12, it means Satan. The literal king of
Tyre is not a fallen cherub. The point is that the literal heathen king of
Tyre answers to the spiritual king of Tyre. (similar to the king of
Lastly, Satan does not serve God. Satan does not follow God's orders. He
does not say your will, not my will, as Jesus does. He acts in his own self
interests and this is why God curses Satan in Genesis, because he doesn't
listen to God, has no light or truth in him, and is a father of lies (John
That being said, I'm not saying that you're wrong about God ultimately
being behind both good and evil. Did God foreknow that Satan would turn
against him? Did God make him with a propensity for evil? Why do some
beings choose evil over good? That is an extremely deep subject dealing
with predestination, election, and philosophy, and I'm not even sure that
it can be proven one way or another.
jackie 04 Dec 2011, 21:37
I believe that satan became satan as time went on, God created Adam n Eve
and placed them in garden time went by, satan was then lucifer, and from
the onset of the right to reproduce themselves and fill the earth, satan
became jealous of men, he and the angels were not made to reproduce and had
their assigned duties, to watch over us, but being he was in the garden, he
first went after Eve, since she was the first woman that would reproduce,
an incubator, and he wanted to mate with her and reproduce himself, and as
misery loves company, his angels were recruited in and thats how later the
earth was full of nephilim, a cross breed of angels and humans, which was
forbidden, producing evil giants that sought only to pro-create with women,
God knew but He had already established the earth and all, it took a great
deal of time to do all this and He just allowed our free will til it became
so bad, evn more than He anticipated and had to send a flood, but since the
angels were spirit and not flesh, they survived the flood, not their
but i believe satans next agenda is to clone a child or put his spirit in a
cloned body, what do you think? jackie
Doug Buckley 06 Dec 2011, 01:50
Hi Jackie, that sounds like a mix of different theories based loosely on
the book of Enoch. I don't believe the book of Enoch is scripture, though
some of its teachings have some biblical merit. As I've already said, I
believe, based on what's given in scripture, that Satan and his angels are
part of the first heavenly order that rebelled against God, before Adam and
jackie 06 Dec 2011, 03:10
well. I also do not believe the book of enoch as scripture, but, go by what
the Bible says, that the sons of God went taking women of men and they bore
children unto them, creating nephilim. this is in out Holy Bible, I know
you know that, but the other part I had brought up about satans agenda, is
only because ir seems as though technology and science have opened the
doors to all types of evil, from cloning to atom and nuclear bombs that can
blow up our existence, and God even says that the imaginations of mans
hearts far exceed what even comes up in Gods heart, and the Bible also
talks about hell enlarging itself, because so many people are waxing cold
and following their sinful lusts, I do believe satan was created good and
not evil, the Bible says ' in the day that you were created you were
perfect, beautiful and goes on to describe lucifers beauty , but then says
that iniquity was found in his heart, maybe existing so long in the
heavenlies didn't seem as good as what man could do, be like the son of
God, create and produce offspring, to someone who is highly intelligent, it
would seem like a dream to pro create and have a child to look like him, so
he pondered on this and God saw his thoughts and put a stop to it. I don't
remember who it was, but didn't someone ask God,
what is man that You are mindful of him"l/jackie
jackie 06 Dec 2011, 03:33
and to another point someone brought up, a good example of our free will
being excorcised, as lucifers free will was being excorcised, is the flood
of Noah, God did not intend on destroying man, they corrupted themselves,
God told Moses also to go down with the commandments because the people had
corrupted themselves, He allows free will, but provides an escape for the
people upon asking, lucifer and his angels had free will and although he
was made perfect, he became proud and wanted notoriety. point is, we are
not robots and God allows us to play out our own lives as we choose, God is
God but He does not control us, He allows us a choice, our own decisions,
if not ,wht destroy people in a flood, God obviously didn't look into the
future to see what would happen , because the Bible says God repented of
having created man. but nonethe less He still allowed us to go on with the
human race, He foresaw His birth to come in the future, and knew everything
had to play out or the challenge would always be there, God has to prove we
cannot direct our own path without Him, so He lets us destroy ourselves,
that is proof that we need Him.jackie
john neal 10 Feb 2012, 12:27
Hi , if it is possible i going to sumarise what i think of all this. First
GOD created the (heavens) and (earth) and it was perfect. GOD made Adam an
Eve to tend his garden the garden of Eden. It was also perfect as the
bible reads God first gave them one law do not eat of the tree of
knowledge of good and evil or u will die,.... Now that being said if i am
right on what i have studied the tree of life was also in that garden but
since they were blind so to speak.. they did not know the value there of
either one.. things were perfect ,, well now satan came to the weaker sex
the woman as the bible says , he changed one word saying you shall surely
NOT die and she seen that it was good looking and good for food and gave in
not realizing the serpent convinced her to curse herself unwillingly..
now she got adam he ate it and then they knew right and wrong .. before
there was no knowledgeof it . now they knew they were naked and that it was
wrong so they hid there selves .. so God came down in the cool of the day
and called for them and him already knowing they said they were naked and
he said how do u know that????? well he at that point cursed the woman with
child birth for being first to sin and the ground hence came weeds briars
and thorns everything we fight today because of adams sinning.. he kicked
them from the garden and barred the gate with a angel with a flaming sword
on each gate.. now as it says we have to live by the sweat of our brow..
now satan was already here being cast down or not physically tho i thiunk
he was but his influence was here... as time has gone on just like the
angels we all have fre choice to do whatever whether good or bad. the
world had only one chance to get there sins forgiven that was by certain
strict sacrifices, so after the world was destroyed and noah and sons
repopulated the earth again it has been a ever sinking swirl of good
against evil and bitter cast out satan trying to ruin all good and take all
he can to hell (a place made only for the angels and him ) and ruin all
he can ..he is very powerful all of the demons are but god has the chain to
there collars in there hand using them for whatever purpoose needed
banished or not.. now once JESUS came he was the second of the GOD head
TRINITY ,( GOD, JESUS the son, and THE HOLY SPIRIT) all are one, think the
same and are entirely differant interesting how wonderful and amazing GOD
is ... JESUS came down done many great things but the greatest was dying
for the whole world a perfect heavenly , diety in human form and flesh
but still perfect died and was tormentedand died for alls sins behind that
day and after it (present. )now we have a way to get to heaven to be with
God and i not worried about the tribulations or whats going to happen here
after but im saved going to HEAVEN and i gotta do allk i can to take
whoever i can with me and lead men to God before god burns this world that
is the basics .. THE BIBLE can be over thought and under but dont get so
bothered by details god may not even want us to know in some cases and
forget what were trying to do . and yes Hell is real and people there now
the rich man who denied Lazerus said he lifted his eyes in torment
desiring water anddesired to tell his brothers not to come to this awful
place KJV is for me i old fashioned as can be May GOD above show us what
is needed fully...
john neal 10 Feb 2012, 21:06
Hi levi i dont know if your talking to me or not or to doug but heres my
thought... Genesis is pretty literal i do beleive satan was in the form of
a serpent because they are the most subtleanimal ofthe field.. i think
Genesis is pretty concrete everything is literal to me .. Revelation
however is not so much but is pretty highly spiritual with future past and
maybe some present things and was a lot of visions..Genesis basically tells
how everything got started .
Now. GODS ways are nothing like ours and nor are the angels.. to just try
to make sense of god by earthly thoughts its un fathomable ,, its solely
gods powerand the holy spirit that can be everywhere all at the same time
.. is how angels and all that can do amazing things..
last she was overshadowed by the holy spirit thats simply it hope that
helps a little stay strong brother...
Doug Buckley 11 Feb 2012, 03:20
Levi, I'm deleting your post because its off topic, but I will answer your
questions by email.
Levi 11 Feb 2012, 13:51
thanks for answering John, it helped a littlle.
and alrighty Doug,
jermaine 20 Apr 2012, 00:19
i agree with christopher you cant have it both ways.your now saying satan
fell twice now.thats unbiblical.theirs no connection between satan and
lucifer,their names arent together in any sentence,passage,chapter or book
in the bible.satan is never compared to lucifer no were else in the whole
bible (which is latin for lightbearer) the bible was first intrpreted in
greek, lucifer shouldnt even be in the bible .that passage should have been
interpreted as morning or day star. isaiah 14.the passage was a message to
the israelites to mock or taunt,lament the king of babylon.they were using
poetics to make fun of him,which the passage says.the bible warns us not to
slander satan,even michael the archangel didnt do this (satan is called a
celestial being jude chapter 1-verse 8to10).theres not one instance in the
scriptures were satan disobeys god.god rebukes him once in zachariah 3 for
what he;s been doing all along.why do people still cling-on to unscriptual
myths concocted by men,which the bible warns against following.satan does
follow god's commands book of job,god suggests job to satan.in the new
testament the holy spirit leads jesus into the wilderness to be tempted by
satan.its not scriptual or logical for when he was a "so-called perfect
angel" he rebelled against god but when he became satan he never disobeys
god.god gives us the tools to resist satan,try putting on whole armor of
god,resist the devil and he'll flee.clear biblical teachings found in the
Vanlalnghaka Hnamte 19 Jun 2012, 03:59
Can i ask opinion? When you know people say they worship satan and claiming
that they see Satan. Do you believe it? And also about three heaven
Doug Buckley 21 Jun 2012, 11:37
Hi Vanlalnghaka, that's an interesting question. Satan uses and manipulates
people usually through their own selfishness and pride. Satan seems to do
well not having people believe that he exists. Some religious people and
Christians even serve Satan, because remember who crucified Christ.
There are certain Satanists who claim to worship and know Satan. Most of
these people are just ignorant kids trying to scare their parents or rebel
against society. However, there maybe certain people who know of Satan's
existence and are on his side against God. They see Satan as their messiah
Right now Satan operates in the shadows, but he will be revealed to the
world. When this happens many people will receive him as their messiah and
morning star, and even be waiting for him at the end of the millennium. (as
for the three heavens, click the ch.3 link on the right)
meg omare 09 Oct 2012, 19:11
Hi Doug just a question. Do not get offended, but this is regarding the
deception that God warns us to be so great that even the elite with be
taken in. My question is regarding the image if Christ and the name Jesus.
Are these deceptions? Why are especially born again Christians so keen on
the blue eyed blond hair image of Jesus? Could this in fact be the image of
the antichrist and we are being mentally prepared to accept him as the
saviour? Did God not warn us not to make or bow down to any false images,
in the bible, and could this be the reason why. This question gets
Christians angry and they say color is not important, but why carry on with
an image and name that have been proven to actually be fake? Is this Satan
image in fact?
Doug Buckley 10 Oct 2012, 23:10
hi Meg, good to hear from you. I haven't seen too many blonde haired and
blue eyed Jesus'. Usually he has shoulder length brown hair and either blue
or brown eyes. I don't think we should really assume to know what Jesus
looked like, but we know he was a "lamb without blemish".
I don' think that Jesus' image is the mark of Satan. I believe the mark of
Satan has more to do with deception, and that Satan as the false prophet
will be a kind of new-age messiah that leads the whole world against God.
If If you look at Revelation 13.15 we know that the people will worship the
kingdom or empire of the beast.
Cielo 04 Dec 2012, 13:18
This web page disturbs me more than most on this subject. Many just exhibit
out right ignorance and unbelief in Christ and do not know the Lord. But
as I read I discern true Word and dangerous misconceptions. One absolutely
mandatory understanding of Satan and Christ that must be said irregardless
of all else missing and incorrectly presented here is this.
Satan was 100% defeated by Jesus' work to restore to us our power and
position with the Father that satan stole in the garden from Adam. Satan
is defeated already. The only power satan receives now is that which we
give him willingly, just as Adam was deceived. But before the fall from the
sky which Jesus said he witnessed, satan was the highest positioned and
most beautifully created angel that God gave dominion over earth along with
one third of the angels.
In this highest position or office Lucifer was to announce the glory of God
to the people of the earth of that time. Lucifer didnt, he kept the glory
for himself, proclaimed himself. And for this disobedience against the
creator, evil was born because of a jealous heart and pride of his being.
God cast him down in front of all. he was no longer the angel of light but
in darkness. The Bible continues by telling us the earth was shut up,
barred, without light and mourned.
Then God restored the earth, replenished it in Gen 1:3. "Let" meaning
restore in Hebrew.
Satan was cast down long before we were created in Gen 2:7 by Yahweh.
Elohim is the name of God that satan knew, never Yahweh. It was Yahweh that
breathed in to man a part of himself. This is why satan was so determined
to corrupt man. Because he was powerless and if Adam willingly gave him his
position he could steal back power given to man by God.
Spiritual warfare on a great scale. Jesus came to make a way for our
salvation, to return to us the power we lost to satan and to defeat satan
once and for all. He did and we received an anointed power from God which
never did man have before. The Holy Spirit of God.
John 1 tells us who Jesus really is. Dont misread that as many do. The
Word was before creation, the Word was with God, the Word came before
everything. The Bible tells us that the Word became flesh and lived with
us, and Jesus is that flesh. Jesus is the Word incarnate.
Take the Bible in your hands and realize that whether old or new testiment
it is written by Jesus and given to us by Jesus, we are saved by Jesus, and
we are the part of creation that Jesus made in His image that was worth the
cross. Not angels, animals or the earth. His creation made in His own
Jesus shed His own Holy blood which He brought into this world with Him as
a child conceived by the Holy Spirit. Holy blood was shed and covers us
Satan is not in heaven but was cats down long ago and 100% defeated by
works of Christ on the cross. Satan is in the dying throes and knows his
time is near, always scheming to hurt us, hurt creation.
But Jesus descended into hell and took the keys to hell from satan as a
man. Not as God but as a man crucified. Colossians 1 tells us why Jesus
did. Paul who had been to the third heaven revealed why to us. So Jesus
could be the first to be raised from the dead to heaven. When Jesus cried
out had he been forsaken on the cross it was at that moment he became man
only without the Holy Spirit so he could descend to hell to defeat satan
finally as a man. Man was given dominion in the garden by Yahweh. The Word
of God is final. So only as a man could God return it to us. That is how
much He loves us and how absolute His WORD is.
Saints, Jesus, the Word incarnate, did all of this for us. We now have ALL
power over satan. ALL power. And following when He cam back to teach after
death and resurrection, Jesus gave HIS authority to us as you can read in
the Bible, Jesus clearly says I give you ALL power and authority to use in
His name. Satan can not come against the WORD because it is written he
cant. We saints have an office over all the evil and satan. Praise God!!!
God's Word to us is we have the Holy Spirit's power to help us endure and
perform the works God has asked us to be in Mark 5. We have all authority
and all power at our feet.
When we do we do what we are suppose to do? All of us? Do we dig in the
Word and learn about our God and come to understand these great gifts?
Satan loves the attention he gets, so give him less. Give Jesus the glory
for the defeat and salvation. In Jesus mighty name we praise God. Our
office is greater than satan's ever was saints.
Jesus intended that we use it, and satan relies on our ignorance of the
Word to hurt us. He is 100% defeated. He has no office, no glory, no
anointing, no wisdom or knowledge from God who is the source of all power.
So read your Bibles
Doug Buckley 07 Dec 2012, 00:37
Cielo, it seems you want to lecture others about the history of Satan in
the bible and when he was supposedly cast down. And you do make some valid
points, but you don't appear to be aware of what the Word says about Satan
being cast down. There is a clear difference between man's traditions which
come from books like "paradise lost", and what the scripture says about
Satan being cast down.
First you say that the devil was "cast down" even before man was created.
You write, "Satan was cast down long before we were created in Gen 2:7 by
Yahweh." This idea comes directly from fictional works like "paradise
lost". However the bible places Satan by name IN heaven in the book of Job,
"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before
the LORD, and Satan came also among them. And the LORD said unto Satan,
Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to
and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it" (Job 1:6-7 KJV).
This is long after the garden, so Satan definitely wasn't cast down before
the garden. As has already been explained here, turning against God is not
the same as being expelled from heaven. Also the word LORD here is the
sacred name, not Elohim.
Then in the NT, Satan is still free to wander the earth and to tempt Jesus
(Matthew 4). There are different battles and different victories. When it
comes to the crucifixion, Jesus didn't die on the cross to give himself
power over Satan, because he already had it. He did it to give us who are
sinners power over Satan, by redeeming us.
In the crucifixion Satan falsely accuses and murders Christ, who was truly
innocent. But the scriptures are clear that Satan wasn't cast down at the
crucifixion. Sometimes God waits to carry out a sentence.
"Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that
justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather,
that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh
intercession for us" (Romans 8:33-34 KJV bible).
Why does Jesus have to make intercession for believers in heaven? Who is
the one that condemneth? Satan is the accuser trying to condemn because
that's what his name means. What the scriptures tell us is that Satan will
be cast from heaven during the tribulation.
"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and
Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and
his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in
heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God,
and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down,
which ACCUSED them before our God day and night" (Revelation 12:9-10 KJV
I don't see how anyone who has read this passage can say that Satan has
already been cast down to earth or hell. This is why reading the context of
scripture so important, because it will happen by God's plan, not ours.
"Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the
inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto
you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a SHORT TIME.
And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the
woman which brought forth the man child. And to the woman were given two
wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her
place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from
the face of the serpent" (Revelation 12:12-14 KJV bible).
Here the scriptures are clear, after the accuser (Satan) is cast down he
has a SHORT TIME, because its at the end of the world when Jesus is
You claim that when Jesus went to hell he took the keys from Satan, so that
Satan has no power, "But Jesus descended into hell and took the keys to
hell from satan as a man".
Scripture contradicts this, because Revelation tells us that when Satan is
cast down he will have great power on earth, but then be defeated by Jesus
at the 2nd coming. Then he will be bound in the pit by an angel with the
key, for a thousand years. This is called the millennium.
"And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless
pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old
serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and BOUND him a thousand years, And
cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him,
that he should DECEIVE the nations no more, till the thousand years should
be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season"(Revelation
20:1-3 KJV bible)
Scripture couldn't be clearer, Satan isn't imprisoned and powerless till
AFTER Jesus returns. The sad part is that this has already been thoroughly
explained here. What's disturbing to me is how so many Christians are quick
to rebuke and lecture others, but they're slow to question if what they're
saying comes from the Word.
diana V. 11 Dec 2012, 14:43
I would think if an atheist were to come across this site, it would give
him all the reason in the world to walk away from The Christ we love. Upon
reading through these posts, it was so easy to predict when it was going to
get nasty. Where is the scripture about not arguing about the scripture
and not becoming easily offended.
Doug Buckley 12 Dec 2012, 03:21
Hi Diana, I think an atheist would think discussing whether or not Satan is
cast from heaven is a bunch of nonsense. I do sometimes later reread what
I've posted and have to admit that I could've been a bit nicer. That said,
one of the reasons why Satan has just about turned Christianity into a joke
is because too many Christians play games and entertain themselves instead
of questioning, discussing, reasoning and debating. I've seen alot of
Christians get owned by atheists because they're not training and able to
uphold what they believe.
randy poole 10 Jan 2013, 22:29
Good text but brother,
Satan is not in heaven he was cast out! God made this earth is his thrown
and his Home will be the lake of Fire.
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the
dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and
Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and
his angels were cast out with him.
Susan 11 Jan 2013, 02:43
And everyone else, who has participated in this post, about Satan being
cast out of heaven. Please try to look past my spelling and grammar because
I do have trouble in that area. But I would like to say what I believe
about this subject.
Ok I do believe we all lived before in the first earth age, where Satan
was the head man as you might say of Gods Government. I believe our father
loved Satan so much and trusted him fully, and that God gave Satan full
charge of his Government. I believe Satan got so high minded and proud that
he couldn't see past his nose. I believe Satan got so high minded that he
thought he could dethrone our father.
Satan wanted to take over the world and be god. I believe the first earth
age was much older, and far more advanced in technology than this earth
age. I believe that Satan deceived alot of us in the first earth age, and
he corrupted our fathers Government to a an extent that our father had to
destroy it. I believe it was so bad, that our father became so angry, that
he tipped this earth off of it's axes and froze it in a ball of ice and
darkness Job 38 and Ezekiel 27 & 28
I believe that when our father decided to restore this earth, which we
read about in Genesis 1, that our father is giving us a chance to be
someone important in his new government, that he will form when Jesus
returns, to rule as King of Kings and Lord of Lords, and I can't wait for
that day to get here. I believe we will have really good jobs in the next
earth age if we are found worthy in this earth age.
I believe that John 8v44 is talking about Cain's descendants. I believe
that the sin in the garden was Satan basically rapping Eve and Adam, and
Eve becoming pregnant with twins from two different fathers. this was
Satans first attempt to destroy a pure seed line for Jesus Christ to come
I don't want to sound like I think I'm better than any other of Gods
children, but I do believe that all the races of people were created on the
6th day of creation, and I do believe that the race which was to bring
Jesus into the earth, was created on the 8th day.
I believe we are born of woman, with no remembrance of what happen in the
first earth age, and in that earth age we did not have flesh bodies, we
were spirit, but the dinosaurs were here in flesh bodies. I believe, that
is what Jesus was talking about when he told Nicodemus that we must be born
of water and of spirit. I believe that each person born on this earth, that
our father chooses which spirit he is going to put into which flesh body.
I also believe that only Satan and the nephilim the sons of God that didn't
wait to be born of woman, who left where they were at in heaven, before it
was their turn to be born of woman. They came to earth and slept with the
women on earth which created the giants, these are the only ones who have
already been condemned to death, in the lake of fire, I also believe this
was Satan and his followers second attempt to destroy the perfect seed line
for Jesus to be born through.
I believe that Satan was able to roam the earth and walk into our fathers
courts in heaven as he pleased, all the way up until he tried to tempt
Jesus in the wilderness, Which was his last attempt to be able to kill
Jesus before it was his time to die on the cross. I believe that the moment
when Jesus said get behind me Satan, that he was instantly taken captive by
Michael the Arc Angle and put into prison. After this it was Satan's
children, through Cain who put Jesus on the cross. And who are in charge of
this one world government that is trying to form now as we speak. These are
the ones that are talked about in Rev 2v9 and Rev 3v9. I believe Satan's
spirit is still here on earth right now, just like our fathers Holy Spirit
is here on the earth right now, but Satan himself is not here yet.
The bible says that when he is cast out of heaven, that there is silence in
heaven for about 30 minutes. That is because the accuser of our people has
been cast out. But woe to the earth because Satan has been cast to the
earth and he knows his time is short. So Satan is going to come here
pretending that he is Jesus Christ, he is going to be so convincing, that
even Gods elect would be deceived into believing him if the time wasn't cut
from 3 1/2 years to 5 months Rev 9v5.
So we know that when the real Jesus returns, every one will know it, we
will all be changed into our spiritual bodies in a twinkling of an eye. The
bible says that every knee shall bow to the real Jesus Christ.
So this means that when Satan is cast out of heaven he is going to try to
convince everyone that he is Jesus, So he is going to act like he would
think Jesus would act. The only thing is he can't change us into our
spiritual bodies like the real Jesus will when he comes. But what is going
to happen is that this one world government, that is trying frantically to
form, can not be fully implemented until Satan comes. The bible says that
almost the whole world will believe he is Jesus Christ and they will run to
him. He will seem to have the answers to everything. Satan will set up his
thrown in Jerusalem, This is the abomination of desolation spoken of by
Daniel, Paul in2 Thessalonians 2 and many others. So I don't believe he has
been cast out yet, because he has to make his big entrance, and the ONE
WORLD ORDER will fall right into place. But I do believe we are in the
season for it to happen, I'm watching for it every minute, I even got my
ears on guard when I'm sleeping.
Well thank you all and God Bless You. Just remember Satan comes first, so
don't be pregnant with his gospel when the real Jesus Christ returns.
randy poole 11 Jan 2013, 08:41
Thank you for your text on this subject When I read your text the first
thing to come to my mind is the verses that state what has light got to do
with darkness, God can not and will not even look upon sin and its safe to
say Sin could be the middle name of satan. This will be my Last comment on
this subject as to me this is giving the enemy of our Souls way to much
attention- When the message of love, peace, forgiveness, and joy that our
world desperately needs to hear before the return of Jesus Christ.
Regardless where satan resides today He lost the battle the day Jesus
Christ Shed his blood on the cross for our salvation. I have been serving
God preaching the ministry since the age of 14 as well as my Father being
an ordained pastor, I am not saying I am better than anyone else, what I am
saying this has been my life for over 35 years- I now do missionary work
Revelation 12 in which all this talk about is indeed a war between satan
and Christ that will be the last battle of satan The last great angelic
battle and Satan’s ultimate expulsion from heaven is described in
Revelation 12:7-12. In this passage, John sees a great war between Michael
and the angels of God and the dragon (Satan) and his fallen angels or
demons that will take place in the end times. Satan, in his great pride and
delusion that he can be like God, will lead a final rebellion against God.
It will be a cosmic mismatch. Thus, the dragon and his demons will lose the
battle and be thrown out of Heaven forever.
A common misconception is that Satan and his demons were locked away in
hell after the fall of Satan. It is clear from many Bible passages that
Satan was not barred from heaven or the earth after his first rebellion,
which predated the creation. In Job 1:1–2:8, he appears before God to
accuse Job of ulterior motives in his worship of God. In Zechariah 3, he
again appears before God to accuse Joshua, the High Priest. Indeed, the
name Satan means accuser. In Genesis, he visited the Garden of Eden and
tempted Eve. He tempted Jesus in the wilderness before Jesus began His
ministry, which is recorded in Matthew 4:1-11. The question arises that if
Satan had already rebelled and been cast from heaven before the world was
created, why is he free to be in heaven and on earth?
In 2 Corinthians 12:2-3, the apostle Paul provides a major revelation that
there are three heavens. In this passage, he seemingly talks about himself
being taken up to the “third heaven” where God the Father and Jesus
dwell. The second heaven is the universe, outer space, and our atmosphere
or air. The Bible indicates that Satan and some of his demons are allowed
to move in this space (Ephesians 2:1-2, 6:12).
In this age, Satan and his highest ranking angels can still oppose the work
of God and hinder the angels of God (Daniel 10:10-14) within the boundaries
of the middle or second heaven. The battle recorded in Revelation 12
removes Satan and his minions from this realm.
When Satan is expelled from the middle heaven, there will be great
rejoicing in heaven, since the age-old accuser will be forever banned from
his mission of accusation and slander against the elect. Satan’s power
and freedom will be seriously curtailed. However, the inhabitants of the
earth will suffer terribly after this event, because Satan will be enraged.
He will also be aware that he only has three and a half more years until he
is bound and cast into the bottomless pit. This will usher in a period of
intensified suffering on earth (Great Tribulation) during which the
Antichrist violates his peace treaty with Israel, desecrates their temple,
declares himself as god, and begins to systematically murder all those who
refuse to worship him.
Satan’s fall from heaven is symbolically described in Isaiah 14:12-14 and
Ezekiel 28:12-18. While these two passages are referring specifically to
the kings of Babylon and Tyre, they also reference the spiritual power
behind those kings, namely, Satan. These passages describe why Satan fell,
but they do not specifically say when the fall occurred. What we do know is
this: the angels were created before the earth (Job 38:4-7). Satan fell
before he tempted Adam and Eve in the Garden (Genesis 3:1-14). Satan’s
fall, therefore, must have occurred somewhere after the time the angels
were created and before he tempted Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.
Whether Satan’s fall occurred a few minutes, hours, or days before he
tempted Adam and Eve in the Garden, Scripture does not specifically say.
The book of Job tells us that, for a time at least, Satan still had access
to heaven and to the throne of God. “One day the angels came to present
themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them. The LORD said to
Satan, ’Where have you come from?’ Satan answered the LORD, ‘From
roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it’” (Job 1:6-7).
Apparently at that time, Satan was still moving freely between heaven and
earth, speaking to God directly and answering for his activities. At what
point God discontinued this access is unknown.
Why did Satan fall from heaven? Satan fell because of pride. He desired to
be God, not to be a servant of God. Notice the many “I will...”
statements in Isaiah 14:12-15. Ezekiel 28:12-15 describes Satan as an
exceedingly beautiful angel. Satan was likely the highest of all angels,
the most beautiful of all of God's creations, but he was not content in his
position. Instead, Satan desired to be God, to essentially “kick God off
His throne” and take over the rule of the universe. Satan wanted to be
God, and interestingly enough, that is what Satan tempted Adam and Eve with
in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:1-5). How did Satan fall from heaven?
Actually, a fall is not an accurate description. It would be far more
accurate to say God cast Satan out of heaven (Isaiah 14:15; Ezekiel
28:16-17). Satan did not fall from heaven; rather, Satan was pushed out of
While there is no verse that says a "third of the angels fell from heaven,"
some verses, when put together, lead us to that conclusion. Sometime after
their creation, and most certainly after the sixth day when everything was
declared “very good” (Genesis 1:31), Satan rebelled and was cast out of
heaven. “How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the
dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the
nations!” (Isaiah 14:12). When Lucifer sinned, Jesus said, “I saw Satan
fall like lightning from heaven” (Luke 10:18), and in the book of the
Revelation Satan is seen as “a star that had fallen from the sky to the
earth” (Revelation 9:1).
We are also told that one third of an “innumerable company of angels”
(Hebrews 12:22) chose to rebel with him. John saw this great wonder in
heaven, “…an enormous red dragon…His tail swept a third of the stars
out of the sky and flung them to the earth…the great dragon was hurled
down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole
world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him”
Since Satan is referred to as a star which fell or was cast down to earth,
and Revelation 12:4 says a third of the stars were cast out with him, then
the conclusion is that the stars in Revelation 12 refer to fallen angels,
fully one third of the heavenly host. If the one-third number is in fact
accurate, what assurance that is! Two thirds of the angels are still on
God's side, and for followers of Christ, they are on our side as well.
In the Harvest,
Doug Buckley 12 Jan 2013, 12:05
Hi Susan, I read your comments about Satan and what you believe, and its
obvious who you study with, which isn't a bad thing. There's too much there
for me to really comment on. There isn't much written about it, but I do
believe in an "age" before the creation in Genesis. I also agree that a lot
of what's happening now and the calling of the elect bride has to do with
creating an eternal Kingdom to replace the first angelic order that fell
apart when Satan turned against God. This is a very deep teaching. God
Susan 12 Jan 2013, 13:07
Yes Doug I also believe that the generation that we live in now are the 1/3
of the people who were deceived by Satan in the first earth age. I'm just
amazed at how cold people are now about Jesus and other people. It seems
like everyone is in some kind of a trance, weather it is pharmaceutical
drugs, street drugs, or just plain no feelings for others, it is just sad
to me. I'm waiting and watching for our Lord to come I can't wait. I know
once Satan makes himself known to everyone here, claiming he is Jesus, that
it won't be long after that. God Bless You.
Doug Buckley 12 Jan 2013, 13:10
hi Randy, I appreciate your thoughts. In some ways you seem to recognize
such scriptures as Job 1 and Revelation 12.10 where it describes Satan in
heaven. On the other hand you quote Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 as indicating
Satan has been cast out of or "pushed" from heaven.
As I've previously explained, in Revelation 12 the angels overcome Satan by
the blood of the Lamb, so we at least know that Satan is heaven after the
crucifixion of Jesus. Further it says he accuses the saints in heaven, so
he must have some kind of access or place among God and his angels. This
paints a picture that is almost like our government where you have two
opposing groups trying to outmaneuver and gain more power over the
Then it describes an actual war breaking out in heaven and Satan being
permanently expelled. We know that this is during the tribulation, because
of the context. It clearly says that after Satan is cast he has a short
time, and persecutes the women who hides for 3.5 years. This just happens
to line up perfectly with the coming of the false prophet who deceives the
world. Revelation 19 even says that Satan is captured here on earth when
There's no need for complicated theories here, but it does seem that we
have to separate a symbolic casting down or fall, such as from grace or a
loss of power vs. being literally cast from heaven. Satan certainly did
fall away from God spiritually before Genesis (Ezekiel 28), and he also
falls from a place of power over the soul who repents and believes in
Christ. Also, notice that the stars are cast from heaven when Jesus returns
(mat 24.29), because it is a spiritual loss of power over the nations.
However, Revelation tells us that Satan will be literally cast our during
the tribulation and go right to persecuting the church.
As far as Isaiah 14, there is alot of context in this passage relating to
the historical king of babylon and many opinions on it. But I believe ch
13-14 are future prophecies that remain to be fulfilled. Yes they have
historical roots with the literal king of Babylon, but they weren't
historically fulfilled. God bless
Jermaine 17 Jan 2013, 18:00
Alot of these posts are unbiblical and rooted in opinions,that directly go
against the true Word of Yahweh.Its not what you believe but what the bible
Ed 23 Jan 2013, 22:33
Thank you Bro Doug,,, I do enjoy reading your post and all the comments. We
all have our way of understanding the Bible and its good to read how others
can relate. Blessing to all
I'm not sure i'm right, however this is what i'v found from my study and
i'm pleased with it. There is lots of scriptures I didn't post, and if you
like, I will share. (Bro Doug its ok to give my email)
The Old Testament we observe Satan’s attempt to disrupt God’s plan from
the Garden of Eden through Christ’s First Coming. Notice, that Satan has
had access to God’s throne in heaven. . (Job 1:6-12).
Satan continued his work all the way through the ministry of Christ’s
Christ’s victory is accomplished and the Devil’s defeat is ensured.
However, in the world today Satan still prowls around seeking who he can
devour. That Satan is operating much the way he always has is clear from
what is written in the New Testament.
Satan still has access to the heavenly throne accusing the saints as he has
from the beginning. We see that Satan’s access to heaven will remain
until his is cast out of heaven as described in Revelation chapter 12.
When does Satan get thrown down from heaven as prophesied? We know that God
has prophesied Satan’s fall in the Old and in the New Testaments, (Isaiah
14:12-15). (Luke 10:18).
Satan's future fall from heaven is written in the book of Revelation.
Satan will be defeated by Michael and thrown down to earth. Based on the
timing presented in this passage, Satan will be thrown down when he has
only “a time, times and half a time” left. This places Satan’s fall
to earth in the middle of the last seven years of this age.
The last seven-year period is called Daniel’s 70 'seven'. In the middle
of Daniel’s 70th 'seven' the ”the Abomination that causes desolation”
will occur, see Daniel 9:27.
Then at the end of Daniel’s 70 'seven', Christ will return to earth. When
Christ returns, He will defeat the Antichrist and have Satan bound in the
Abyss for the 1,000-years.
After the 1,000 years, Satan will be released to deceive the nations one
last time. Then Satan and those he has deceived will be destroyed and
thrown into the Lake of burning sulfur, (Revelation 20:7-10).
Satan is operating much the way he has since the beginning. He will
continue until he is thrown down to earth 3½ years before the completion
of Daniel’s 70th 'seven'. After the last 3½ years, called the Great
Tribulation, Christ will return and Satan will be bound in the Abyss for a
1,000 years. At the end of the thousand years Satan will be released for a
season after which he will be thrown into the Lake of burning sulfur
forever. Satan has been partially restrained from the beginning. Michael is
the one who now holds him back. However, there will be a time when Satan
will no longer be restrained by Michael, and that time is called "the Great
BTW the devil can't bother me, cause I belong to Jesus (Heb 2:14) Love you
Wayne D. Rogers 27 Jan 2013, 14:48
I have been saying this all along, why Revelation also has the story of the
"fall" in it, no, it is because it is in the future.
Lucifer is NOT Satan, look at Isaiah 14, Lucifer is mearly the Latin name
for the morning star. That passage is about the king of Babylon
Satan, it is made quite clear was a "creation" of Jehovah used as a
stubbling block for the Hebrews
Thomas L 07 Apr 2013, 01:37
All, I love the postings...Its so good we read the Bible
The Words of God has made our hearts move in our daily lives and how we
interact with family, friends, strangers.
I understand that Lucifer was created by God. So Lucifer is God's
Creation. I understand everyone debating the fact that he is in Heaven
(then,now,and the future) until god Cast Him Out.
I understand that Lucifer has Pride issues. Against Jesus and God.
If Lucifer is in Heaven or Here on Earth, now and in the future, and the
Pride is what has made his heart dark. Then he wants to be Our God. And
either Our God then, now, or in the future will ask him back.
So if Lucifer wanted to be Our God, then there comes the responsibilities
of god that would normally follow.
So it is in Lucifer's Mind that his Image is better than God's Image of
This only means that to you and I, he would tell us the lies and murder us,
those who realize, that he is a false prophet and not Our True God.
Those that take his mark and worship him...will also Murder us. So the
Tribulations means that we Christians are going to die or be
tortured....that is pretty sad...it could be each of you posting or myself,
or our grandchildren or future generations that would be so hurt. Sad
Seriously...Christian's who accept God in their hearts in front of
strangers and Acknowledge's Jesus will be killed. I am not going to be
afraid...in my heart i am not....now going through this pain...that is what
is going to be hard and cause me fear. Especially if I know I would have
to endure. But what if it is our grandchildren or future
generations...will it be them to endure?
If those people, wicked or led into Wickedness, were to open their hearts
to the Bible, God's Teachings through people we read in the beginning or
those inspiring words of Jesus...excepting the bible as a Whole and not as
a Denomination see this about Lucifer, they would realize, that......if:
If Lucifer did win, and God and Jesus were no more....then they too would
Because in Lucifer's Image as a god; we are simply not perfect.
Neither is life and the things we never discovered or knew... it would
simply all, go away...
Lucifer would be God. And would have to start over. So Lucifer wanting
this from OUR GOD. and Wanting to Create and be the FIRST. He must be
good in a messed up bad way.
You see...he would like to be a Creator...if Lucifer wanted to be a
Destroyer...then it would be just him by himself...which could be found
etc. etc. etc.
But Lucifer must be knowledgeable, because if he wanted to be the FIRST,
the CREATOR...Our God...then he must not be someone that is in Love with
Evil...but in Love with Good...in a evil twisted way...
real question is, Why make it so an Angel could tempt their own hearts to
be God? Or us realizing this by my post?
Respectfully from Alaska
Babawale Michael 07 Apr 2013, 13:23
Doug 03 May 2013, 17:31
Lucifer is from the Latin vulgate in no way should eziekial and isiah be
compared to satan. Satan was never a Cherub.
Kim bailey 25 Jun 2013, 23:32
DOUG! Oh yes he was to Ezekiel 28:14 it says, "You were the anointed
Jack 10 Jul 2013, 05:08
Who is Azazel
Doug Buckley 10 Jul 2013, 17:17
Azazel is sometimes used as a name for Satan or some demonic being. The
word originally comes from Leviticus 16, where it's usually translated as
"scapegoat". Alot of translators feel that this word doesn't mean scapegoat
but is a proper name. So the goat was offered for "Azazel", leading to all
kinds of speculations.
Lou Canterbury 13 Apr 2014, 17:49
The devil is not in Heaven, he was thrown out along with the angels who
tried to overthrow God who created them...the devil was an angel but now is
a deceiver and is leading people astray every day...Read your Bible daily
you will find every answer you need for anything in reading Gods word... It
s Truth that sets you free and puts us on the road to righteous....don t
follow man follow God , pray and put all your faith in your creator...I don
t know all the answers but I know where to find them.
Doug Buckley 13 Apr 2014, 18:05
We should certainly put our faith in the Word above the words of men, and
that's the point that's being made here. People assume that Satan has been
cast out of heaven and is in hell, but if one carefully looks at the
scriptures they don't say that per se.
"because wrestling against flesh and blood is not to us, but against the
rulers, against the authorities, against the world's rulers, of the
darkness of this age, against the spiritual powers of evil in the
heavenlies" (Eph 6:12 LITV)